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"“Please monitor all of your children’s technological device usage,” Goss said as a plea to parents. “It is not an invasion of privacy.......”

wut? Goss must be insane.

their pee should hv been shot out like a ki blast breaking the rocks

oh and also No one has any rights. We're free, rights create invisible restrictions. But we live in a society where the majority accepts rights to be true.
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My school did this with social networking.

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Wonder what method he used which kept him alive for 3 weeks.
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I wonder if this becomes more common

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(04-08-2017 01:26 AM)The man Wrote:  "“Please monitor all of your children’s technological device usage,” Goss said as a plea to parents. “It is not an invasion of privacy.......”

wut? Goss must be insane.

Exactly what NSA etc. say
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This shitshow continues

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(04-08-2017 11:23 AM)Dead Wrote:  Wonder what method he used which kept him alive for 3 weeks.

Hanging, apparently. http://ktla.com/2017/04/07/michigan-boy-...d-reports/

From how long it took I was worried he just ate a bunch of Tylenol. That's what I've heard of that usually takes that long, and it isn't pleasant.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/an-1...spartanntp

Quote:“I went in and I thought he was being silly,” Goss told The Post. “I ended up finding him in the closet . … I tried to hurry up and lift him up. I was screaming. I told my oldest son to call 911. My littlest one was bawling.”

Goss said the paramedics were able to revive Tysen. The boy was hospitalized for three weeks before he died on Tuesday at a Detroit-area hospital.

It sounds like the (probably more usual) home-style gravity strangulation rather than a traditional "drop" hanging. So without any sudden force like that, I would guess it's some issue with his brain having been starved of oxygen too long, instead of trauma to the trachea and blood vessels.

http://www.alcor.org/FAQs/faq02.html

Quote:Resuscitation after cardiac arrest longer than 4 to 6 minutes at normal body temperature typically results in irreversible brain injury, coma, or death. [...] The primary obstacle to resuscitation after a few minutes of cardiac arrest is not cell death, but something called reperfusion injury. This is a cascade of injury that occurs when blood flow is restarted after cardiac arrest, especially inflammation. Inflammation shuts off blood vessels, preventing blood from reaching brain cells. Without oxygen, brain cells die over a period of hours (not minutes).

(It also applies to strangulation -- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24837635 )

Quote:Victims of near hanging suffer from strangulation with cerebral ischemia and resultant reperfusion injury, irrespective of whether they had cardiac arrest or not.
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Holy fucking shit. I feel bad for the kid... all for fucking nothing.

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Quote:“He was perfectly happy and fine. There was no additional sadness that was occurring. He had tons of friends,” she said. “Anybody who knows him knows he’s a shining star.”
So clearly we must blame the girl and the technology? We must BLAME SOMEONE OMG!

The only thing, perhaps, is why did he kill himself so quickly instead of talking to someone about it? People hide their problems, especially from parents, in most cases. It takes a rare kind of parent to counteract that effect.

So, regular parents, regular happy kid (as far as anyone can tell)... must be the girl and the technology to blame, obviously. Rolleyes

Well, yeah, it is technically her fault, but she probably didn't suspect he'd do that either. She probably did it because of some insecurity and wanted to see how he'd react. He was probably insecure too. Just my theories anyway.

Blaming anyone or anything isn't going to be productive.

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Oh, another thing. This kind of "love suicide" madness is glamorized by shit like Romeo and Juliet. But we don't see people trying to ban Shakespeare, now do we?

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Quote:“He was perfectly happy and fine. There was no additional sadness that was occurring. He had tons of friends,” she said. “Anybody who knows him knows he’s a shining star.”
So clearly we must blame the girl and the technology? We must BLAME SOMEONE OMG!

The only thing, perhaps, is why did he kill himself so quickly instead of talking to someone about it? People hide their problems, especially from parents, in most cases. It takes a rare kind of parent to counteract that effect.

So, regular parents, regular happy kid (as far as anyone can tell)... must be the girl and the technology to blame, obviously. Rolleyes

Well, yeah, it is technically her fault, but she probably didn't suspect he'd do that either. She probably did it because of some insecurity and wanted to see how he'd react. He was probably insecure too. Just my theories anyway.

Blaming anyone or anything isn't going to be productive.

I think overall a better question is to just question school as it is and how it might have lead to this issue in the first place... the sad thing is that I expect her to get a possible charge of involuntary manslaughter. Wow a fucked up world...

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I'm not sure I see how school specifically contributed to this though... I mean, we can't really say for sure why he did it. Nobody can. There's not much point in speculating about people we've never even met.

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In general I've found that it's pretty pointless to get riled up about a murder case that you know so little about. It's a waste of time and energy.

Kinda like Michael Jackson or Casey Anthony. I remember people making such a big deal out of it but personally, I never really paid too much attention to it. It's the legal system's job and not the media.

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(04-11-2017 04:54 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I'm not sure I see how school specifically contributed to this though... I mean, we can't really say for sure why he did it. Nobody can. There's not much point in speculating about people we've never even met.

I don't think that a non-schooled person would ever deliberately commit suicide.
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(04-11-2017 05:58 AM)Jop Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 04:54 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I'm not sure I see how school specifically contributed to this though... I mean, we can't really say for sure why he did it. Nobody can. There's not much point in speculating about people we've never even met.

I don't think that a non-schooled person would ever deliberately commit suicide.

People have committed suicide long before modern education existed. And plenty of people who don't receive modern education commit suicide.
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(04-11-2017 05:58 AM)Jop Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 04:54 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I'm not sure I see how school specifically contributed to this though... I mean, we can't really say for sure why he did it. Nobody can. There's not much point in speculating about people we've never even met.

I don't think that a non-schooled person would ever deliberately commit suicide.

People have committed suicide long before modern education existed. And plenty of people who don't receive modern education commit suicide.

Schooling is older than modern schooling. Religious indoctrination is just a form of it and that's much older.
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(04-11-2017 06:07 AM)Jop Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 06:02 AM)Dead Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 05:58 AM)Jop Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 04:54 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I'm not sure I see how school specifically contributed to this though... I mean, we can't really say for sure why he did it. Nobody can. There's not much point in speculating about people we've never even met.

I don't think that a non-schooled person would ever deliberately commit suicide.

People have committed suicide long before modern education existed. And plenty of people who don't receive modern education commit suicide.

Schooling is older than modern schooling. Religious indoctrination is just a form of it and that's much older.

Would you consider someone who's part of an isolated tribe to be schooled?
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(04-11-2017 06:13 AM)Dead Wrote:  Would you consider someone who's part of an isolated tribe to be schooled?

A tribe with a religious indoctrination routine? In that case, yes...
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Jop, people commit suicide all the time, for various reasons. Suicide is a very vague topic.

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(04-11-2017 04:54 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I'm not sure I see how school specifically contributed to this though... I mean, we can't really say for sure why he did it. Nobody can. There's not much point in speculating about people we've never even met.

I don't think that a non-schooled person would ever deliberately commit suicide.

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For the record, I don't think anyone who's actually read Romeo and Juliet actually view them as role models.

Also wtf people kill themselves for lots of reasons. If anything school would make people less likely to do it because it makes people think they owe the world to exist.

Hello, traveler.

This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.

Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"

Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.

People are allowed to change their views.

Nevertheless, this period of my life has informed some of how I am today. In good ways and bad ways. To purge it would be to do a disservice to history. Perhaps it will not make anyone sympathetic, but it may help someone understand.

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Romeo and Juliet are a terrible role model.

I say we ban it from schools /s .

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Quote:Romeo and Juliet are a terrible role model.

I say we ban it from schools /s .
I agree. No sarcasm though... that shit made me want to bash my head against the wall repeatedly. Like, ugh, why are we studying these COMPLETE MORONS and analyzing their horrendously stupid behaviour? And the worst part was that people actually call that love... no it isn't, it's infatuation, limerence, like being high on drugs... not the same as real love at all...

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Well, it was made in the 17th century no? A lot has changed since then, so obviously what a reader today would gain from it would be much different from what a reader back then would get from it.

It's sort of like reading the Bible (Old and New Testament). People say "oh the bible is stupid" or "oh in the bible it says" without realizing that the context, language, etc of the Bible is incredibly different from modern day. That's why Biblical literalism is stupid.

But, that's another rant for another day.

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11-year old kills himself after cruel school "prank"

Not that I know, but this sounds right, lol http://www.shakespeare-online.com/plays/...theme.html
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11-year old kills himself after cruel school "prank"

Yeah this isn't something that isn't very uncommon either.

Kinda reminds me of a Chris Rock quote. Something about "If you hate gays, your son will be gay; If you hate Puerto Ricans, your daughter will be married to a Puerto Rican".

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