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To everyone who joined these forums at some point, and got discouraged by the negativity and left after a while (or even got literally scared off): I'm sorry.

I wasn't good enough at encouraging people to be kinder, and removing people who refuse to be kind. Encouraging people is hard, and removing people creates conflict, and I hate conflict... so that's why I wasn't better at it.

I was a very, very sensitive teen. The atmosphere of this forum as it is now, if it had existed in 1996, would probably have upset me far more than it would have helped.

I can handle quite a lot of negativity and even abuse now, but that isn't the point. I want to help people. I want to help the people who need it the most, and I want to help people like the 1996 version of me.

I'm still figuring out the best way to do that, but as it is now, these forums are doing more harm than good, and I can't keep running them.

Thank you to the few people who have tried to understand my point of view so far. I really, really appreciate you guys. You are beautiful people.

Everyone else: If after everything I've said so far, you still don't understand my motivations, I think it's unlikely that you will. We're just too different. Maybe someday in the future it might make sense, but until then, there's no point in arguing about it. I don't have the time or the energy for arguing anymore. I will focus my time and energy on people who support me, and those who need help.

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Official School Survival Book?

I'm thinking of writing a School Survival guide of sorts and publishing it. Something xcriteria would've loved back in the day.

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(03-31-2017 03:45 AM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  Something xcriteria would've loved back in the day.

A wall of text?

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If you outline it and post the outline here, we could possibly help clean it up and contribute. Like chapters and what'll be in em.

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Sure. Actually, maybe a word document or Google Drive doc instead since this'll be pretty big.

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A guide on just surviving school? Or more?

The internet has a lot of guides, useful tips, etc. on a whole range of topics. So far, I've collected the links I found in one place so they're easier to access. Here's the parenting one from a long time ago, and my avoid brainwashing one which I've updated recently.

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Not so much a guide on surviving school but navigating it, making sense of it, and being able to live a decent life.

I feel I wasted my teen years and I don't want others to feel the same way. There's a lot of shit that you get hit with as a teen.

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I think a wiki would be a better idea than a guide written by a single person. There are so many things, tips, methods etc. that could work for someone that I don't think a single person could write an effective guide.
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We already have a wiki, but it's been dead for years.

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Quote:We already have a wiki, but it's been dead for years.
It's just hibernating, waiting for people to actually edit it. The whole point of a wiki is for more than one person to edit it... Razz
I can set you up an account if you'd like to help out?

Quote:Not so much a guide on surviving school but navigating it, making sense of it, and being able to live a decent life.

I feel I wasted my teen years and I don't want others to feel the same way. There's a lot of shit that you get hit with as a teen.
People are so different though, so it almost seems impossible to have a one-size-fits-all guide... for school. Which is ironic.

If it were me, I'd have the whole thing be about trusting yourself rather than other people, because a scarily large portion of the advice I got from adults when I was a kid turned out to be useless, nonsensical and even just outright wrong for me personally.

But I suppose people all have different things they'd need guidance with.

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I have an account but I haven't been bothered to use it xD.

We should promote it and seek out editors as well.

Soul, the point here is not to make a "one-size-fits-all" book. I understand where you're coming from but in the end, no matter how hard I try, I won't satisfy everyone. At the very least, make something that'll help people during that time in life.

I think I've really come around realizing how much time I wasted in high school and I feel the need to help those regain their lives during that time. I feel I had so much potential if I actually had fucking initiative and I'm certain I'll strike a chord with many.

Of course, I'd love for the SS site to be a huge part of it.

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(04-02-2017 03:43 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  
Quote:We already have a wiki, but it's been dead for years.
It's just hibernating, waiting for people to actually edit it. The whole point of a wiki is for more than one person to edit it... Razz
I can set you up an account if you'd like to help out?

This is what I was referring to, but it seems to be used mainly for info on the site itself.

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Lol, good fucking times.

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All right, so I've been thinking more about what kind of concepts I want to put into my book.

The main points that I have made are:
-Helping teenagers aged 11 to 18 survive the hells of high school
-Not only be able to survive school but thrive in life
-Educate teenagers on the realities of education
-Inform teenagers on their options as well
-But not just that, but actually provide helpful advice and ideas that can comfort them through school and life and provide them information that isn't provided in school.

I'm thinking of writing something similar to How To Make Friends and Influence People, a self help guide but not only for teens but with the subject in particular with dealing in high school.

In the end I want my book to make a mark and influence the way things are done and the way people pursue education.

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If you write it in your thrown down inspirational style you'd be bound to find an audience. progress would be slow like hell unless you can get it promoted once its uber-polished because seriously some of these self-publishers...

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Yeah I think one thing I need to do is simplify but not dumb down the language. I had a pep talk to myself yesterday that in general teenagers seem to be rather anti-intellectual is because they don't understand intellectual ideas; they're too complex or crazy for them when in reality there's a lot of value in intellect; they just don't understand it.

I want my book to be provocative but incredibly easy to understand. Better yet, make the case why such stuff relates to the teens in their personal lives. I kinda look at how many teens hate say, history or math, partly because they don't know how to apply it in their lives.

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Oh, wow, I forgot we even had a Wikia page.

Quote:I had a pep talk to myself yesterday that in general teenagers seem to be rather anti-intellectual is because they don't understand intellectual ideas; they're too complex or crazy for them when in reality there's a lot of value in intellect; they just don't understand it.
Well, if you start out by underestimating your audience... that could make you come across as arrogant or something. Razz
Why not focus on writing it as a guide for your younger self, that you'd give him if you could go back in time?

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(04-04-2017 11:50 PM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Oh, wow, I forgot we even had a Wikia page.

Quote:I had a pep talk to myself yesterday that in general teenagers seem to be rather anti-intellectual is because they don't understand intellectual ideas; they're too complex or crazy for them when in reality there's a lot of value in intellect; they just don't understand it.
Well, if you start out by underestimating your audience... that could make you come across as arrogant or something. Razz
Why not focus on writing it as a guide for your younger self, that you'd give him if you could go back in time?

I don't underestimate the teenage brain but I knew full well I couldn't comprehend the shit out of books such as the 48 Laws of Power, the Art of War, the Prince, etc.

Though it's not so much that teens can't read it but that the message of it isn't very easy to understand. I do like the suggestion of "writing for my younger self". That's probably the best approach to do it.

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Not to butt in or interrupt, but my book idea was (1) this and (2) why:

(1) a whole lot of quotes, but only quotes, from various thinkers about education and educational ideas. I do not at any time expound or explain, I just give the name and source. I also include an index of relevant names from whom the quotes are taken.

(2) rather than tell anybody what to think, i feel its best to put the ball in their court by simply introducing certain opinions in a cursory form. Give people to the power to come to conclusions, not by organized convincing, but by gathering the scattered whole body of argument and allow them to decide who they agree with.

So what I WAS doing with the Prosperous Illiterates thread, minus me saying anything about it.

Perhaps this is applicable to your book idea?

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(04-06-2017 07:49 AM)the Analogist Wrote:  Not to butt in or interrupt, but my book idea was (1) this and (2) why:

(1) a whole lot of quotes, but only quotes, from various thinkers about education and educational ideas. I do not at any time expound or explain, I just give the name and source. I also include an index of relevant names from whom the quotes are taken.

(2) rather than tell anybody what to think, i feel its best to put the ball in their court by simply introducing certain opinions in a cursory form. Give people to the power to come to conclusions, not by organized convincing, but by gathering the scattered whole body of argument and allow them to decide who they agree with.

So what I WAS doing with the Prosperous Illiterates thread, minus me saying anything about it.

Perhaps this is applicable to your book idea?

I kind of like where you're going. Funny thing is, quotes were going to be a huge part of it, though I should be careful if I take a preachy tone. Perhaps a more pragmatic approach might work?

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My Logic was this, (1) Sudbury Valley works because humans respond well to freedom and lack of coercion. (2) My aversion to many books is because I know my opinion and dont care too much about anyone else's. (3) it feels great to find famous people who at least partially agree with you.

also, nobody quotes the villains behind school, some of their arguments are appealing though. so if you create the intellectual tension by mixing all perspectives what will result is YOUR opinion. then we can all debate, but you gotta discover your opinion first.

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also if your a nobody, you cant tell people things.

like, even my parents tell me things...

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(04-06-2017 11:39 PM)the Analogist Wrote:  My Logic was this, (1) Sudbury Valley works because humans respond well to freedom and lack of coercion. (2) My aversion to many books is because I know my opinion and dont care too much about anyone else's. (3) it feels great to find famous people who at least partially agree with you.

also, nobody quotes the villains behind school, some of their arguments are appealing though. so if you create the intellectual tension by mixing all perspectives what will result is YOUR opinion. then we can all debate, but you gotta discover your opinion first.

So, a balanced book with all opinions and points of view and general tidbits of advice and guidance?

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more like a philosophical index. example

Chapter: Reading

"the so called basic skills of school are trivial. if a kid wants to be a doctor, of course he's gonna learn how to read, do you know how he learns how to read? He reads! he reads books he reads magazines. you know how long it takes him? a month!"
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"if one kid learns to read at 7, another at age 10, by the time they are both 13, you have no idea who learned first, but in school you label one as 'learning disabled' and the other 'gifted'"
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"One thing of interest in this is that the skills normally taught in schools played a very minor role in the development of their careers. The key factors seem to have been the values, habits, and attitudes they learned from their parents."
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I think you have a very good concept... actually reading and books are a huge thing I'd like to tackle.

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I've got a good list of books started. maybe we could join our concepts? i dont have any time to read lately

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Sounds good. I'm looking for something similar to say Napoleon Hill or Dale Carnegie. Something that lights a fire under someone, especially a teenager.

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well, my dark side book list comes from Gatto and Chomsky references. authors from among the elite who dare to express, since only elites will read it, the bullshit that defines the 1%

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Public Opinion - Walter Lippman
Quote by Noam Chomsky a lot for pretty much advocating a propaganda system to trick to public into complacency for everyone's good. book by an elite for the elite

Managers of Virtue - David Tyack
Gatto, who may or may not a be a crazy old man, said that this book shows how the system of forced education paid for by business was under the exclusive direction of a group called the education trust "until the paper got wind of it". This book is written by a historian of eduction.

The Crisis of Democracy - the Trilateral commission
People are taking democracy seriously... this is a problem

Principles of Secondary Education - Alexander Ingles [RARE]
This dude is very hard to find out about, but the honor lecture in education is named after this guy according to Gatto. I actually did get a copy of this book to verify Gatto's quotes (they checked out), he was legit there at the founding of american education working for the original textbook publisher of sorts, Houghton Mifflin. School is to enhance natural selection by tagging the unfit, school is to determine kids social status, a select group shall be identified and taught the secrets of running the system etc.

Descent of Man - Charles Darwin
If the good breeding stock of human being mixes with the Irish for example, evolution would march backwards. (not sure if blacks outrank the Irish or if they are counted as human)

Propaganda - Edward Bernays
"intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind."

Propaganda (1928) p 9–10

Thats 6 pretty good ones from the Dark side.

I dare you to look into the biography of Alexander Ingles. I would really love to see some more evidence of who he was. that book was written in 1918

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Its Alexander Inglis... i dont feel like correcting my spelling now.

anyway, the quote is better written than this terrible paraphrasing borrowed from some lady's blog:
https://theinnovativeeducator.blogspot.c...ation.html

1) The adjustive or adaptive function.
Schools are to establish fixed habits of reaction to authority. This, of course, precludes critical judgment completely. It also pretty much destroys the idea that useful or interesting material should be taught, because you can't test for reflexive obedience until you know whether you can make kids learn, and do, foolish and boring things.

2) The integrating function.
This might well be called "the conformity function," because its intention is to make children as alike as possible. People who conform are predictable, and this is of great use to those who wish to harness and manipulate a large labor force.

3) The diagnostic and directive function.
School is meant to determine each student's proper social role. This is done by logging evidence mathematically and anecdotally on cumulative records. As in "your permanent record." Yes, you do have one.

4) The differentiating function.
Once their social role has been "diagnosed," children are to be sorted by role and trained only so far as their destination in the social machine merits - and not one step further. So much for making kids their personal best.

5) The selective function.
This refers not to human choice at all but to Darwin's theory of natural selection as applied to what he called "the favored races." In short, the idea is to help things along by consciously attempting to improve the breeding stock. Schools are meant to tag the unfit - with poor grades, remedial placement, and other punishments - clearly enough that their peers will accept them as inferior and effectively bar them from the reproductive sweepstakes. That's what all those little humiliations from first grade onward were intended to do: wash the dirt down the drain.

6) The propaedeutic function.
The societal system implied by these rules will require an elite group of caretakers. To that end, a small fraction of the kids will quietly be taught how to manage this continuing project, how to watch over and control a population deliberately dumbed down and declawed in order that government might proceed unchallenged and corporations might never want for obedient labor.

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Of note, Inglis, who wrote the 700+ pages, believed all of this was a good thing

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God damn, this is some shady shit, though the lack of info casts skepticism on who the guy actually was... maybe some paranoid dude making contemporary observations? There are plenty of anonymous dudes that get books published. Find a Grave is worth a checkout.

Kinda makes sense though, especially in regard to special education...

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