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For all of those on this forum who believe that children should have equal rights with adults, or at least have a lot more rights (such as more rights regarding school) than they have right now, I was wondering if you'd like to create a regularly-meeting club to discuss concrete ways to progress the cause of children's rights.

For the regular meetings, I was thinking video conferences on Skype, but if you have any better ideas, feel free to share. We could also use somewhere else for announcements, maybe Google Groups.

We'd do things like create art supporting children’s rights, pass out flyers, maybe put ads on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/yt/advertise/), "harness the power" of social media, recruit new members… there are so many possibilities, that’s why we need to discuss! Then when people have updates on projects they’re working on, we can go around and share those at the next meeting.

Along the way, we could get to know each other and just have a good time! If anybody’s interested, has preferences for meeting times (we’ll have to work around time zones), ideas for group names, or whatever, please comment! I’m in the US on Central Time (UTC-6/UTC-5).
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Though I'm nervous about showing my face, which my grandmother would forbid, I'd like to participate however I can. I already have some PSA ideas which we could use.
Really, I always thought we should collaborate and do stuff like that.
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(02-20-2017 02:25 PM)Lucky-Feet Wrote:  Though I'm nervous about showing my face, which my grandmother would forbid, I'd like to participate however I can. I already have some PSA ideas which we could use.

Cool! Maybe we can either get a chatroom going on at the same time or there's got to be a service that doesn't make everybody show their face (I honestly don't know whether Skype does). I'll have to look around.

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I've been thinking about how to get discussion going along somewhat similar lines, though my focus is less directly about the concept of rights, and more about what can be done to help people realize that things can work so much better when young people are granted autonomy, voice, and support, as opposed to coercion.

This can be approached from a few angles:

(1) Finding ways to encourage parents and families in general to improve understanding and communication, and find better ways to do things than coercion and conflict.

(2) Finding ways to promote self-directed education, where learners themselves have choice and space and support to pursue learning and life in ways that work for them.

(3) Encouraging young people to realize the power they do have; much of what gets in the way of youth empowerment is learned helplessness and simply not realizing what they are capable of, even though there are of course other obstacles to autonomy.

As for children's rights in a legal sense, that is also important but it's something that I think will mostly change only after culture changes based on the above 3 items and others.

Overall, for these things and change in general, I think media in various forms (journalism, PSAs, social media, YouTube, television, fiction and nonfiction books, and so on) is one of the best opportunities to change things. Another is simply conversations people can have in their day-to-day lives, even though not every conversation leads to immediate change.

Maybe we could arrange a Skype call sometime; video can always be optional. Facebook chat is another option, quite a few people are on there.

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(02-20-2017 02:46 PM)xcriteria Wrote:  I've been thinking about how to get discussion going along somewhat similar lines, though my focus is less directly about the concept of rights, and more about what can be done to help people realize that things can work so much better when young people are granted autonomy, voice, and support, as opposed to coercion...

If you wouldn't want to focus on rights, more power to you! The point would mostly be to use social accountability as motivation so that whatever each person thinks they ought to focus on, there'd be a regularly meeting group to motivate them to continue focusing on it and doing things about it.

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Interested I am.
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OK, scheduling…

I notice the “local time” on my profile is 2 hours ahead of my actual time, so I’m going to assume that the “local time” on every profile is exactly 2 hours off in the same direction (if that’s not the case, please let me know). “The man” is in a pretty different time zone from the rest of us, so the meetings will have to be in his morning and the rest of our’s afternoon, or vice versa.

If we put “The man” in the morning, the meeting time could look something like this:

xcriteria: 8:00PM
StrixDesmodus: 6:00PM
The man: 9:00AM (the next day)
Me: 7:00PM

I’m guessing we’re probably all the most free on the weekend, so maybe we do this on Saturdays (For “The man”, it would be Sundays).

Now, if you all could comment whether you prefer these times be shifted later or earlier, or whether you prefer the day be changed, or that the mornings and afternoons be swapped, that would be great.

It may take a bit to find a good meeting time, but hopefully it will be worth it!
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Mine's an hour off, in case this will help. On the site it says 10:00 while on my computer it says 11:00.
It might not matter much, because I don't have much control over my own schedule.
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That's so weird! It tells me that your local time is past midnight. So the site's telling you that you posted that last post at 10:06PM, but you really posted it at 11:06PM in your time zone? Update:

StrixDesmodus: 8:00PM
Me: 7:00PM

Hey "The man" and xcriteria (and anybody else who might want to join), if you could include what time you think you're posting at in a post, I can figure out the time zone differences so we can meet at the same time. Edit: or you could just name your time zone.
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R.I.P. Swatch Internet Time, you are being missed
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(Edit: Nevermind what's below... nobody expressed any interest in Google Hangouts, so I'll push it back another week and take a look at Riot. Fortunately, however, a bit more discussion was prompted.)

I was looking around and Google Hangouts looks like it's designed for this sort of thing. Also, I imagine more people already have Google accounts than Skype ones. So, we could try having a club meeting at 7:00PM US Central Time (and I'll leave time zone conversions up to you) next Friday, since it appears that's a good date and time, on Google Hangouts. I would just need your Gmail addresses so I could invite you. If you want to retain your anonymity, I suppose you could create Google accounts with fake names, and if you don't want your address in plain text on this forum, you could send me it in a private message.

And to be clear, anybody who wants to stop in on the club meeting is welcome to, and you can stop by or leave in the middle if you want!

Summary: if you want to come to the club meeting next Friday, April 7, at 7:00PM US Central Time, send me a Gmail address so I can invite you!
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Youth Liberation League?

This sounds kinda cool. PM me.

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By text or by voice/webcam?
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What social media does this league use?

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Google+ makes sense if Hangouts is used
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I think Skype would be good as well

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Microsoft needs to be avoided when possible. Not always possible, but in this case it is.

I'd prefer to use Riot as an alternative then.
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True. Especially with internet privacy laws being changed.

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Why do you recommend Skype then -_-
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It was a suggestion, tech hipster.

Anyway Discord seems awesome. I like this as a new version of IRC.

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Why the hell are we promoting ourselves through a YouTube flame war? Donald Trump's mental capabilities are completely irrelevant to our goals. A flame war isn't a great billboard either.

We need to set up a network and actually put out informative content and actually get people to do shit and organize.

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(04-10-2017 11:51 AM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  Why the hell are we promoting ourselves through a YouTube flame war? Donald Trump's mental capabilities are completely irrelevant to our goals. A flame war isn't a great billboard either.

We need to set up a network and actually put out informative content and actually get people to do shit and organize.

I agree that we should do that stuff. In the meantime, since that has been a bit slow to organize, it is my wild guess (that is, feel free to disagree) that promoting through a YouTube flame war is better publicity than no publicity, you know, like "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good".

Edit: It probably won't have any noticeable impact. Really, I'm just bored.

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True that. There's plenty of shit to set up at the moment anyway. I'm writing my book at the moment.

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(04-09-2017 11:51 AM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  It was a suggestion, tech hipster.

Anyway Discord seems awesome. I like this as a new version of IRC.

Yes of course. Just recommending against suggestions that I think are terrible. Discord too is a terrible suggestion because it does not have native installable clients. Riot does and can even be bridged with the IRC. (Why can't Discord be bridged with the IRC? Why are the messy programs always so popular?)
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Marketing (and market share), and I assume interface?

In that case, Riot seems pretty viable then.

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I'll look into hosting a bridge on my server.
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Sounds good. Tell me when everything is set.

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Apparently there's a bridge for Discord in alpha. That would be awesome, we could have all three (IRC, Riot and Discord) and everybody could use whichever they wanted! Alas.
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...This thread needs to be split.
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Why? I think anything that has to do with the YLL is relevant.

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