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Information Necessity of School

Before I start this, don't get me wrong, I do NOT think school should continue the way it is, if i'm on this website that much is clear. The way it is now doesn't work for everyone, is damaging, is overly stressful, and just doesn't work, as long as being originally designed as a way to make people not question authority or religious figures.

However, some form of compulsory school is necessary. Without some form of way to educate future generations, knowledge and skills that are essential for day-to-day life would not be known, and anyone who didn't go to school or was effectively educated would be without any way to find work, save manual labor and such. No, a lot of what is taught later on in schools is not needed whatsoever (especially in math), however, some is. Therefore, we need a system that is GOOD at teaching people without driving them to suicide (I know this is a bit of an exaggeration but it happens).

Continuing from there, it would be good to have some of the unnecessary stuff available to kids who desire to learn it, but not mandatory for everyone who doesn't. This lets kids gain knowledge that helps and pertains to them and their interests, and could help them in a future career, with the current system it kind of gets mixed in with all the other cluttered shit.

So in conclusion, we need a form of education that teaches kids skills and such that are needed for life and not require them to know all the other unnecessary stuff, while still keeping it available for kids who want to know and those it would help. All of this while keeping it low-stress.

Wow, that a better essay than anything I've ever done in school, guess what they say about you doing things better when you aren't required to do them and am doing then yourself of your own intent.

Anyway, tell me what you think about this.

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I definitely agree. I experience this everyday. I'm currently 17 and in my 3rd Year of canton school. I need to do another year after this one, only because I need the maturity degree to study informatics at an university. In fourth Year, I can have Informatics as an elective, 4 lessons per week, and this and last semester I also had it as an elective, but only 2 lessons per week. All the other subjects that are forced on me are basically a waste of time for me. I mostly don't care and I will never use any of it. I have to learn about medieval german literature, for example. I couldn't care less about that crap.
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Quote:However, some form of compulsory school is necessary. Without some form of way to educate future generations, knowledge and skills that are essential for day-to-day life would not be known
Why do you believe that people wouldn't learn essential things without it being forced upon them?

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Sudbury Valley School. I posted an hour long interview with its founder Dan Greenberg.

Who decides what is essential? You? so what makes you so special that everyone needs to learn what you say?

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(01-26-2017 04:33 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  
Quote:However, some form of compulsory school is necessary. Without some form of way to educate future generations, knowledge and skills that are essential for day-to-day life would not be known
Why do you believe that people wouldn't learn essential things without it being forced upon them?

Some things can only be taught from experience, and its just important that they learn these things, so it would be good to make sure they do

(01-26-2017 06:13 AM)the Analogist Wrote:  Sudbury Valley School. I posted an hour long interview with its founder Dan Greenberg.

Who decides what is essential? You? so what makes you so special that everyone needs to learn what you say?

"Anything you impose will be distasteful"

I don't know what's essential, I'm just saying people need to know essential things. It will be hard to deduce what those things are, but it may be easier through process of elimination

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Quote:I'm just saying people need to know essential things. It will be hard to deduce what those things are
But... this... seems like a contradiction. How do you force people to learn essential things if they will be different for everyone, relevant to them at different times in their lives, and the very act of forcing them to do it makes them dislike it?

I'd imagine the only 'essential' things people need to know are:
#1. How to do research on their own to learn things without help. Or how to find/approach people to help them.
#2. How to stay alive long enough to accomplish #1.

Technically, this is what parents are supposed to be for. So kids with decent parents shouldn't need school, and certainly not compulsory school.

Basically, nothing should ever be compulsory. For those who don't know how to decide what to do, by all means, guide them, give them courses, etc... but for those who can't stand that kind of atmosphere, putting them in it is just counter-productive.

It's about trust, I think. If you trust your guide/teacher, then if they suggest something, you're more likely to do it, just because you trust their judgment already. If it's just required by law, there's no trust, because the requirement comes from some faceless government and not a real trustworthy person. This is precisely why good parents are so important... and why it's best if they're not constantly at work all the time... O_O

Yeah, the whole society is messed up, it's not just school.

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Quote:I'd imagine the only 'essential' things people need to know are:
#1. How to do research on their own to learn things without help. Or how to find/approach people to help them.
#2. How to stay alive long enough to accomplish #1.

IMO reading, writing and arithmetic are pretty essential too. There are better ways to teach people those skills than resorting to compulsion.

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