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"Well, it's technically not yours when your parents bought it for you. It's a great way to make kids listen. It's like getting your phone taken away. When you do something bad or backtalk your parents, they will take what all keys think is sooo special nowadays- which is electronics. It works."


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"Sovu But how is that fair? How as a kid can you make the revenue to buy your own items? Pay phone bills/clothes/food etc. You can't get a job, I don't get paid for chores at home, I have no way of making money, therefore I have no way of buying my own things. I think until the kid has the opportunity to purchase their own items regularly that shouldn't be taken into account. Also I think that a lot of parents fail to understand what kids go through nowadays. Some of these parents set impossible standards for their kids to achieve then the kid gets their stuff broken. The parent needs to work harder to understand their kids life and how it works before they reach unfair consequences such as these."


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"CONSENSUAL incest is not wrong. (Abuse victims: being abused by a relative does not make it wrong for others to have consensual incest, any more than rape by a stranger makes all sex wrong. Sex and assault/molestation are two different things.) An aversion became common in humans that aided in population growth as one disease couldn't wipe out the human race. That's not a problem anymore.

Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.

There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?

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marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. Some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. It is true that in general, children born to consanguineous parents have an increased chance of these problems than those born to nonconsanguineous parents, but the odds are still minimal. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.

Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?

Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.

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They bought it for you so it's legally theirs. And even if you bought it, they have every right to take it from you. A parent who outright stole what their kids worked hard to buy would be a shit person, however that's not what we're discussing here.

Parents have wide discretion in raising their kids for many good reasons. For one, micromanaging it would be a headache for any system set up to do so. Parents are also the person who usually is in the best position to use such discretion in the best possible manner because they have the most information available. Also, taking it away would be a pretty huge breach of parental rights and a terrible precedent.

Yes, some parents have shit rules and expectations. Most parents, for all their faults, aren't like that. Taking away something is an important tool for punishing a kid. It's certainly preferable to physical force like spanking. If this ability didn't exist, parents would have to substitute other forms of punishment (like spanking, some other form of grounding, requiring extra chores, etc) which might be a less appropriate response for what the kid did. Rules have to be enforced in some form or fashion. Kids aren't adults. Their ability to follow social norms and their concept of them isn't even fully developed. They do stupid shit all the time.

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(01-23-2017 11:10 AM)thewake Wrote:  
Kids aren't adults. Their ability to follow social norms and their concept of them isn't even fully developed. They do stupid shit all the time.

Wtf

You are aware that people of any age can do stupid shit all the time,right?

(01-23-2017 11:10 AM)thewake Wrote:  They bought it for you so it's legally theirs. And even if you bought it, they have every right to take it from you. A parent who outright stole what their kids worked hard to buy would be a shit person, however that's not what we're discussing here.

Your right this is about Parent's DESTROYING their kid's stuff.
Learn to read more carefully.

(01-23-2017 11:10 AM)thewake Wrote:  They bought it for you so it's legally theirs.

And even if you bought it, they have every right to take it from you.

The law can be wrong...

(01-23-2017 11:10 AM)thewake Wrote:  And even if you bought it, they have every right to take it from you.
No,they fucking don't if I bought it,that's theft by any sane moral standard,especially since it's kinda hard for me to get a job,etc.
(01-23-2017 11:10 AM)thewake Wrote:  Taking away something is an important tool for punishing a kid.

Again this discussion is SUPPOSED to be about BREAKING things.

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"CONSENSUAL incest is not wrong. (Abuse victims: being abused by a relative does not make it wrong for others to have consensual incest, any more than rape by a stranger makes all sex wrong. Sex and assault/molestation are two different things.) An aversion became common in humans that aided in population growth as one disease couldn't wipe out the human race. That's not a problem anymore.

Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.

There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?

Some people try to justify their prejudice against consanguineous sex and
marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. Some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. It is true that in general, children born to consanguineous parents have an increased chance of these problems than those born to nonconsanguineous parents, but the odds are still minimal. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.

Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?

Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.

Some say “There are so many people outside of your family." There are plenty of people within one’s own race, too, but that is no reason to ban interracial marriage. So, this isn't a good reason either. Let consenting adults love each other the way they want!"-Keith Pullman

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Also, technically, if you give someone something as a gift, then it isn't yours anymore. People would frown upon the idea of you taking it back or destroying it after you've given it away, in all cases except if you give it to a child. People have weird double standards.

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(01-24-2017 08:27 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Also, technically, if you give someone something as a gift, then it isn't yours anymore. People would frown upon the idea of you taking it back or destroying it after you've given it away, in all cases except if you give it to a child. People have weird double standards.

Thank you.

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"CONSENSUAL incest is not wrong. (Abuse victims: being abused by a relative does not make it wrong for others to have consensual incest, any more than rape by a stranger makes all sex wrong. Sex and assault/molestation are two different things.) An aversion became common in humans that aided in population growth as one disease couldn't wipe out the human race. That's not a problem anymore.

Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.

There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?

Some people try to justify their prejudice against consanguineous sex and
marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. Some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. It is true that in general, children born to consanguineous parents have an increased chance of these problems than those born to nonconsanguineous parents, but the odds are still minimal. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.

Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?

Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.

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I'm bringing it back.

their pee should hv been shot out like a ki blast breaking the rocks

oh and also No one has any rights. We're free, rights create invisible restrictions. But we live in a society where the majority accepts rights to be true.
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(01-23-2017 06:55 AM)Superkamiguru Wrote:  But how is that fair?

assuming a reasonableish parent, does "be good and you don't get your shit taken off you" not seem fair to you?

(01-23-2017 11:26 AM)Superkamiguru Wrote:  
(01-23-2017 11:10 AM)thewake Wrote:  
Kids aren't adults. Their ability to follow social norms and their concept of them isn't even fully developed. They do stupid shit all the time.

Wtf

You are aware that people of any age can do stupid shit all the time,right?


i don't know why you think this refutes his claim.

(01-23-2017 11:26 AM)Superkamiguru Wrote:  
(01-23-2017 11:10 AM)thewake Wrote:  They bought it for you so it's legally theirs. And even if you bought it, they have every right to take it from you. A parent who outright stole what their kids worked hard to buy would be a shit person, however that's not what we're discussing here.

Your right this is about Parent's DESTROYING their kid's stuff.
Learn to read more carefully.

no, it isn't. see:
Quote:It's like getting your phone taken away
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Quote:they will take what all keys think is sooo special nowadays-
for whatever reason that paragraph "refuting" that first paragraph bangs on about breaking shit as though that was even slightly relevant to the original thread that this thread stemmed from.

(01-23-2017 11:26 AM)Superkamiguru Wrote:  
(01-23-2017 11:10 AM)thewake Wrote:  They bought it for you so it's legally theirs.

And even if you bought it, they have every right to take it from you.

The law can be wrong...

morally? yeah i guess. it'd be pretty shitty to take shit off your child if they bought the shit. if the parent bought it, nah, i wouldn't say so, they'd be pretty justified in taking an item off you if the parent bought it and felt like punishment was needed for wrongdoings.

(01-23-2017 11:26 AM)Superkamiguru Wrote:  
(01-23-2017 11:10 AM)thewake Wrote:  And even if you bought it, they have every right to take it from you.
No,they fucking don't if I bought it,that's theft by any sane moral standard,especially since it's kinda hard for me to get a job,etc.

but he's not talking about moral standards here clearly, rather the legal right of the parent

(01-23-2017 11:26 AM)Superkamiguru Wrote:  
(01-23-2017 11:10 AM)thewake Wrote:  Taking away something is an important tool for punishing a kid.

Again this discussion is SUPPOSED to be about BREAKING things.

again, no it isn't. why do you think this? no sane parent breaks a child's things as punishment, only those with anger problems or some other shit that needs dealing with. nobody in their right mind would defend this.
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I think the phone cell should be brought back. That way people deprived of a phone can still communicate every now and then. Long-distance communication is a basic right.
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Here's the thing. We shouldn't allow loopholes for abuse. And let's not forget, bad grades are reasons parents punish their kids harshly, whether it's the kid's fault or not. In fact, though I don't remember it completely, but I came across a recorded case of a teen's X-Box being destroyed for low grades.
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Shit I'm going to catch a bit of heat for this one.

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(01-23-2017 06:55 AM)Superkamiguru Wrote:  "Well, it's technically not yours when your parents bought it for you. It's a great way to make kids listen. It's like getting your phone taken away. When you do something bad or backtalk your parents, they will take what all keys think is sooo special nowadays- which is electronics. It works."
I mean, they do buy it with their hard earned cash, and they sacrifice their own time just so that you can have the toys, books, etc that you want. You're not entitled to everything you have.

I do see the point that it's messed up to permanently take away an item from a person, that's definitely fucked up. But understand the parents perspective at least.

(01-23-2017 06:55 AM)Superkamiguru Wrote:  "Sorry But how is that fair? How as a kid can you make the revenue to buy your own items? Pay phone bills/clothes/food etc. You can't get a job, I don't get paid for chores at home, I have no way of making money, therefore I have no way of buying my own things. I think until the kid has the opportunity to purchase their own items regularly that shouldn't be taken into account. Also I think that a lot of parents fail to understand what kids go through nowadays. Some of these parents set impossible standards for their kids to achieve then the kid gets their stuff broken. The parent needs to work harder to understand their kids life and how it works before they reach unfair consequences such as these."

I actually agree with this point though.

It is pretty unfair to bitch at kids and nag them constantly because, I mean, they're kids. They don't participate in the real world like adults to and they already go to school anyway against their will. Being a hardass on them really isn't going to make things much better.

Also, to become a parent is pretty much a sacrifice and a job. Parents need to understand the responsibility of raising an entirely separate human being. Parents aren't fucking dictators or slavemasters; they're supposed to raise a kid right.

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