Anti-anti-school people really look stupid.
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[19:56] <Chiqi> HAI.
[19:56] <Darthmat> Hi
[19:56] <Chiqi> i H8 skooll
[19:56] <Chiqi> dey nvr tot me 2 spell
[19:56] <deathontwolegs> ...
[19:56] <Chiqi> so i dropped out at 14
[19:56] <Chiqi> and now
[19:56] <Chiqi> i hav no job
[19:56] <Chiqi> plis god halp mi
[19:56] <deathontwolegs> how about you stop trolling our channel, you fucktard? kthx.
[19:57] <Chiqi> oh noes
[19:57] <Chiqi> such language
[19:57] <Chiqi> how vulgar!
[19:57] <deathontwolegs> hey, if you think we're all immature teenagers, by all means debate the topic, but if you're going to be condescending to all of us you better have some conviction in your belief
[19:58] <Chiqi> School isn't bad as a whole. It is whatever school the person goes to that they have a belief against.
[19:58] <deathontwolegs> what about those who dislike the system as a whole, and not just the school they attend?
[19:58] <Chiqi> The system as a whole doesn't have the exact same in each location.
[19:59] <deathontwolegs> there, you see? we've come miles from "skool didnt tech me hwo 2 spel"
[19:59] <Chiqi> What is so terrible about the system AS A WHOLE?
[19:59] <Darthmat> True, but the concept is bad.
[19:59] <Chiqi> The concept of sitting down and listening to a lesson, stories from the past, how to communicate line to line when we can't show physically?
[20:00] <Darthmat> -Forced- education.
[20:00] <deathontwolegs> i mainly don't like it because it's mandatory, students have virtually no rights, and anyway, you barely get treated as an individual before the age of 18 anyway...
[20:00] <Darthmat> You can't force someone to learn.
[20:00] <Darthmat> If it were optional, it wouldn't be so bad. Schools would be forced to improve.
[20:00] <Darthmat> I love my school, but I am still against the system as a whole.
[20:00] <deathontwolegs> i have many problems with the system as a whole, it depends what we're talking about.
[20:01] <Chiqi> On the forcing someone to learn: How do you think your life would be impacted if you were at home from age 5?
[20:01] <Chiqi> Would you be able to calculate tip at a resturant?
[20:01] <Darthmat> Chiqi: If I was taught properly, then no problem.
[20:01] <deathontwolegs> ...yes?
[20:01] <Chiqi> Really?
[20:01] <Chiqi> Taught by who?
[20:01] <Darthmat> I learn faster with stuff I want to then stuff taught to me in school.
[20:01] <deathontwolegs> you're making the fairly basic assumption that math cannot be learned outside a school, which is erroneous
[20:01] <Chiqi> I didn't say math.
[20:01] <Chiqi> I suggested simple life skills.
[20:01] <Darthmat> Chiqi: There are tutors, and parents. Or any person off the street. Arithmetic = simple.
[20:01] <deathontwolegs> i'm not saying that all schools are evil, but the fact that they treat truants as satan incarnate is a rather frightening concept
[20:02] <Chiqi> So then why is school so bad if you can be homeschooled, or drop out? Why so much negativity?
[20:02] <Darthmat> xD
[20:02] <Darthmat> Now this is no longer a debate.
[20:02] <deathontwolegs> you can drop out only at 16, 18 in some places, and homeschooling is up to the parent, not the student.
[20:02] <deathontwolegs> i'm not saying kids should be all powerful.
[20:02] <deathontwolegs> but some things do need changing in that department.
[20:02] <Chiqi> Of course.
[20:03] <deathontwolegs> kids are ignorant, as are many adults, obviously.
[20:03] <Darthmat> Yeah, that. And the fact you have to be either homeschooled or in a 'normal' school is bad. The entire system should be offered to you, not shoved down your throat.
[20:03] <deathontwolegs> so, just saying.
[20:03] <Chiqi> But all this of "school is bad, if you want, make underground copy-odd-each-other homework rings".
[20:03] <Darthmat> .....
[20:03] <Chiqi> It is not the smartest thing to do
[20:03] <deathontwolegs> well, i can't speak for other people, necessarily.
[20:03] <Darthmat> Not in all cases.
[20:03] <Darthmat> In some, they are good.
[20:03] <Chiqi> to give a 15 year old the choice if they would live to finish their education.
[20:03] <Darthmat> Like, if everyone already knows the subject matter, so they share the load.
[20:04] <Chiqi> How is someone to properly get a career in this day and age with out a degree?
[20:04] <deathontwolegs> now, granted, we have had a few people here that are literally, "i hate skool, my techer sux" (6more)...
[20:04] <Darthmat> They know that.
[20:04] <Darthmat> They might regret it later.
[20:04] <deathontwolegs> but we've also had a lot of legitimate, intelligent people seeing problems with the system
[20:04] <Darthmat> But they should still be allowed to choose.
[20:04] <deathontwolegs> anyway, sorry.
[20:04] <deathontwolegs> it's confusing trying to talk to 2 people at once, i realize.
[20:04] <Chiqi> It is like allowing a 10 year old to choose if they should be allowed to drive or not.
[20:04] <Darthmat> ....
[20:05] <deathontwolegs> and darthmat: don't treat him as a troll.
[20:05] <Darthmat> If a 10 year old *can* drives, he should be allowed to.
[20:05] <Darthmat> deathontwolegs: I am not.
[20:05] <Darthmat> drive*
[20:05] <maxh> well, personally, I feel that if a ten year old can pass a driving test, they should be allowed to drive
[20:05] <Darthmat> But most can't.
[20:05] <Darthmat> But no reason to take it away.
[20:05] <Chiqi> You do realize, that the human brain is not fully developed until age 21, correct?
[20:05] <deathontwolegs> :/
[20:05] * Darthmat cries
[20:05] <Darthmat> People develop at different rates.
[20:06] <maxh> you have proof of this?
[20:06] <Chiqi> In general.
[20:06] <maxh> and don't give me those rat studies
[20:06] <Darthmat> And there are 14 year olds who are lots samrter then people far older then 21.
[20:06] <Chiqi> There are many studies, you can check online, obviously.
[20:06] <maxh> 1. Rats are not humans
[20:06] <Chiqi> There are brain scans.
[20:06] <Chiqi> Who said they were?
[20:06] <maxh> Just because the brain is different does not mean it is not developed
[20:06] <maxh> and it is your job to substantiate your theory, not mine
[20:07] <Darthmat> The argument is irrelvant. Just becuase my brain is not 'fully developed' does not mean I should be shoved into a school.
[20:07] <Chiqi> I'm just saying that there is a significant difference between a 20-year old who goes to school and has completed school, and a difference with one who had dropped out of Algebra I in 9th grade because 'it was too hard, and i hated it."
[20:07] <Darthmat> They are too different people.
[20:08] <Darthmat> The one who goes to school could be a serial rapist for all you know.
[20:08] <maxh> You should know that many people here are completed with mandatory schooling, BTW
[20:08] <Darthmat> You can't judge a person based on thier degree of education.
[20:08] <deathontwolegs> i see it this way: age is a factor, i don't expect a 6 year old to drive or know quantum physics, but there are a lot of smart people out there of that age, and it's stupid to generalize by age like that, ie, for example the drinking age, when many people above the legal age get stupidly drunk and kill themselves anyway, whereas a 15 year old responsible drinker would not, and yet the 15 year old still gets arrested
[20:09] <deathontwolegs> (i know that's not related to school, but yeah.)
[20:09] <Chiqi> No, it is because your brain is not 'fully developed' that you should not be allowed to decide things so severe as your education. If you are not of legal age to manage a bank account, how can you possibly decide your education?
[20:09] <Darthmat> The law does not define morals.
[20:09] <deathontwolegs> it doesn't define intelligence, either.
[20:09] <Darthmat> The law can be wrong.
[20:09] <Chiqi> But it does decide who goes where.
[20:09] <maxh> you're confusing law and reality
[20:09] <Darthmat> And often is.
[20:09] <deathontwolegs> chiqi: we're saying the law is wrong, so please don't cite the law.
[20:10] <deathontwolegs> because that defeats the object.
[20:10] <Darthmat> And I could easily manage a fucking bank account if I was allowed to.
[20:10] <maxh> legally, one cannot make significant choice as to their education until sixteen
[20:10] <Chiqi> Yet you aren't.
[20:10] <deathontwolegs> i realize the law doesn't allow many things, but that doesn't mean that we're incapable of doing it
[20:10] <Chiqi> All I'm trying to put across is that dropping out of school or anything else is odd without a legit reason.
[20:10] <maxh> because the law does not allow it
[20:10] <Darthmat> Oh, bye the way.. circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because
[20:10] <Chiqi> Yes, but you incapable of doing it legally.
[20:10] <deathontwolegs> is oppression of freedom and character a legit reason?
[20:11] <Darthmat> by* :/
[20:11] <Chiqi> And circular logic works because it just does.
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[20:11] <maxh> fisty!
[20:11] <Darthmat> Hello fist
[20:11] <deathontwolegs> i have some articles for you to read, should you be interested, feel free to agree or disagree with them as much as you want, this is just for reference sake
[20:11] <Chiqi> No education = no job.
[20:11] <Chiqi> It doesn't get any more simple than that.
[20:12] <maxh> school != education
[20:12] <Darthmat> So, Chiqi, if all you are trying to prove is that dropping out of school or anything else is odd without a legit reason, then why are you getting so off topic?
[20:12] <deathontwolegs>
http://www.school-survival.net/articles/
[20:12] <Darthmat> And people can get jobs without school.
[20:12] <Darthmat> It's very difficult, but possible.
[20:12] <deathontwolegs>
http://www.school-survival.net/articles ... cation.php is a pretty good one
[20:13] <maxh> and yes, IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM, it is difficult to get a decent job without a diploma
[20:13] <ATXTheKiller>
http://www.babnetmultimedia.com/ebay/im ... r_main.jpg
[20:13] <Chiqi> I doubt the current system will be changed drastically, for a very long time.
[20:13] <maxh> but your argument sounds like "you can't get a job without a diploma, so you shouldn't be opposed to school"
[20:13] <ATXTheKiller> That is a fucking sexy guitar.
[20:13] <maxh> chiqi: and it won't take less time if we stop talking about it
[20:13] <deathontwolegs> (by the way, chiqi, please don't treat swearing as a sign of low intelligence, because it isn't)
[20:14] <Chiqi> Who said it was a sign of low intelligence?
[20:14] <Darthmat> He was just making sure
[20:14] <deathontwolegs> nobody, i just thought you got that impression
[20:14] <deathontwolegs> my mistake
[20:14] <deathontwolegs> and now i'll shut up for a bit.
[20:14] <Chiqi> ...
[20:15] * Darthmat SLAPS CHIQI.
[20:15] <Darthmat> WITH LOVE. >:
[20:16] <maxh> haha
[20:16] <Chiqi> The young never cease to enforce proven fact.
[20:16] <Darthmat> xD
[20:16] <Darthmat> What fact did I enforce?
[20:18] <Chiqi> Danke for your time.
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