The Official School Survival NoFap Thread (split)

[Thought Criminal]

I'm just jumping in here, didn't read the entire thread.

This is a fuckload of shit though. No Fap? I wasn't raised mormon. It's the 21st century, there's no reason to be ashamed just because you watch porn or masturbate. Lots of people do it. Do what you fucking want. Everything in moderation though.

[sswbm]

(08-28-2016 11:54 PM)the Analogist Wrote:  I disagree with music. It plays with your emotions too powerfully and too easily to be without cause for suspicion.

Never listen to music while doing something else. Otherwise your emotions get screwed up. Many people listen to music while doing stupid things like schoolwork or office jobs so that they think that they are happy while, in fact, they are not. Same reason why people do drugs.

This is also why shops and restaurants have speakers everywhere (they play music designed to make you think "oh man I like it here" for no reason) and why TV and radio news programmes play music in the background (it's music designed to make you think "this is important and tense" even though it isn't).

Not that I do it, but listening to music while doing nothing else meanwhile is perfectly fine and fun.
Music is also an integral part of movies and videogames.

[no]

(08-29-2016 07:16 PM)Jop Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 11:54 PM)the Analogist Wrote:  I disagree with music. It plays with your emotions too powerfully and too easily to be without cause for suspicion.

Never listen to music while doing something else. Otherwise your emotions get screwed up. Many people listen to music while doing stupid things like schoolwork or office jobs so that they think that they are happy while, in fact, they are not. Same reason why people do drugs.

This is also why shops and restaurants have speakers everywhere (they play music designed to make you think "oh man I like it here" for no reason) and why TV and radio news programmes play music in the background (it's music designed to make you think "this is important and tense" even though it isn't).

Not that I do it, but listening to music while doing nothing else meanwhile is perfectly fine and fun.
Music is also an integral part of movies and videogames.

What am I reading?!

Seriously? You haven't got the mental fortitude to notice when music is being used manipulatively and guard against it?

I've listened to music while doing boring things that needed doing, and it didn't make me think the boring things were the best in the universe. It simply made a shit thing temporarily bearable so I could finish it and not screw up big time.

On the topic of this thread: the thought of having sex with another person makes me want to throw up. And my particular fetish is so damn fucked up (as well as physically impossible) that it only works in the context of imagination. I would hate anyone who somehow managed to partake of it in real life. And I've found that generally people who hate the idea of sex to the degree that I do but might still want an emotional and intellectual connection with someone are completely averse to touching. Whereas I am a total and utter freak and require things like hugs.

Frankly, the weight of the knowledge that I will never be loved in the way I need should be enough. I've already heard enough of "thin men are unloveable" and "emotional men are unloveable" and "shy men are unloveable" but I wouldn't be comfortable in my own skin if I wasn't any of those things. So while I picked the obvious choice (I don't have to listen to people demanding I change things that hurt nobody, but I do have to live with my own conscience) the fact that I sacrificed something in the process still gnaws at me. Seeing people every day whose innate nature is compatible with this 'love' thing you so desparately need but must give up your identity to have wears on you. I had resigned myself to a lonely existence as a highly reserved and secretive creative type, the only people who might ever consider me a valid partner being gold-diggers if I hit a lucky break.

And now you're saying that the only way someone of my disgusting nature can possibly feel physical pleasure is unilaterally wrong, inherently because it's allowing me to avoid becoming someone I don't want to?

FUCK. RIGHT. OFF.

[Username]

I'm beginning to loathe this thread's views on music.

[the Analogist]

Wrong precept. What I said about music is that it has a potency that is not well understood but clearly real.

The effect of a story on your emotions is the concrete details translateble into meaning. The question is for what purpose and to what end are you simply processing ideas?

Oh, you can do things with your imagination by music. You can use it like coffee to get you up...

I like how defensive people get when you challenge music as a pure undertaking

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Also yes, NOFAP is yet another fallable human attempt at some ethical/spiritual concept. It is right to a degree, and people reliant upon imagination to guide them rely upon its weakness to deny the totality of what it has to say.

This is why in Islam we see the rules as a FAVOR to us, since we'll never actually agree by arguing what roadmap gets you to Allah

[Username]

Am just surprised at how opinionated some are over a simple hobby.

[James Comey]

(08-29-2016 04:19 PM)Thought Criminal Wrote:  I'm just jumping in here, didn't read the entire thread.

This is a fuckload of shit though. No Fap? I wasn't raised mormon. It's the 21st century, there's no reason to be ashamed just because you watch porn or masturbate. Lots of people do it. Do what you fucking want. Everything in moderation though.

Please, tell me what are the benefits of excessive masturbation to pornography. The mentality of, "everyone else does it, I might as well too" is pretty counter-productive. I thought this site was about individualism and non-conformity. I guess not.

If you hadn't read this thread, I pretty clearly outlined evidence that overmasturbation may possibly effect the way the body properly utilizes testosterone, and that porn has been known to seriously effect the mental and sexual functions of the mind (the effects on dopamine and serotonin). Hell, various psychological associations are pushing for porn addiction to be classified. Porn and masturbation addiction are real.

You even said, quote, "I'm just jumping in here, didn't read the entire thread",. Your entire argument was "NoFap is bullshit" without any evidence provided, and your argument is completely based on appeal to tradition (everyone jerks to porn, you should do it too!).

A lot of people's lives have been destroyed by PMO. Don't trivialize it.

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(08-29-2016 09:22 PM)no Wrote:  On the topic of this thread: the thought of having sex with another person makes me want to throw up. And my particular fetish is so damn fucked up (as well as physically impossible) that it only works in the context of imagination. I would hate anyone who somehow managed to partake of it in real life. And I've found that generally people who hate the idea of sex to the degree that I do but might still want an emotional and intellectual connection with someone are completely averse to touching. Whereas I am a total and utter freak and require things like hugs.

Frankly, the weight of the knowledge that I will never be loved in the way I need should be enough. I've already heard enough of "thin men are unloveable" and "emotional men are unloveable" and "shy men are unloveable" but I wouldn't be comfortable in my own skin if I wasn't any of those things. So while I picked the obvious choice (I don't have to listen to people demanding I change things that hurt nobody, but I do have to live with my own conscience) the fact that I sacrificed something in the process still gnaws at me. Seeing people every day whose innate nature is compatible with this 'love' thing you so desparately need but must give up your identity to have wears on you. I had resigned myself to a lonely existence as a highly reserved and secretive creative type, the only people who might ever consider me a valid partner being gold-diggers if I hit a lucky break.

And now you're saying that the only way someone of my disgusting nature can possibly feel physical pleasure is unilaterally wrong, inherently because it's allowing me to avoid becoming someone I don't want to?

FUCK. RIGHT. OFF.

If you don't like the thread or the concept, I've got a pretty simple answer for you.

Don't read it.

[the Analogist]

Also I don't think NOFAP should ever be taken as a criterion. Maybe some people do, but sexual disfunction and disorder are not straightforward black and white ideas OR situations.

In Islam, if you are certain you cannot fulfill the sexual needs of your spouse, then it is either disliked OR prohibited to marry, depending on specifics. Other rules are different too for THOSE people.

Although we view homosexuality as a sin, we see a SIGNIFICANT difference between the one who struggles with it AND succumbs, the one who is just non-challant about morality, and the one who publicly advocates for it as a lifestyle.

[Username]

You will become a sick, psychopathic murderer if you listen to these manipulative, sinful sounds.

[UnicornLionWolf]

Quote: I've listened to music while doing boring things that needed doing, and it didn't make me think the boring things were the best in the universe. It simply made a shit thing temporarily bearable so I could finish it and not screw up big time.

THANK. YOU. FOR. THIS. Don't feed me this stuff that I can't listen to music.

Quote:Seeing people every day whose innate nature is compatible with this 'love' thing you so desparately need but must give up your identity to have wears on you. I had resigned myself to a lonely existence as a highly reserved and secretive creative type, the only people who might ever consider me a valid partner being gold-diggers if I hit a lucky break.

And now you're saying that the only way someone of my disgusting nature can possibly feel physical pleasure is unilaterally wrong, inherently because it's allowing me to avoid becoming someone I don't want to?

As a sensitive, socially awkward guy I can relate to this. And yet, the NoFap thread made me feel as though there is too much psychological harm that comes from fapping. It's like it's a lose-lose situation if you're not asexual and you aren't lucky in love.

Quote: Please, tell me what are the benefits of excessive masturbation to pornography. The mentality of, "everyone else does it, I might as well too" is pretty counter-productive. I thought this site was about individualism and non-conformity. I guess not.

While masturbation does bring sexual pleasure it doesn't bring you real emotional satisfaction it seems. And you made a good point about individualism.

[Shurpeh]

I'm not really aware of this "psychological harm" fapping causes can someone pls educate me

[the Analogist]

They say it is lack of self control. The control they suggest however is ethically derived from probably Christian influence (influence not religion, don't go acting like vacuums exist)

Yeah self control is great, don't eat too much etc. But really any time you get spirituality without religion you get a fair amount of incoherence.

In Islam we believe fapping and porn in general aren't permitted. For married men however, and especially for men with several wives (were limited to 4), it is said that the more sex you have with your wives the better it is for you spiritually, and better for them too. Now the only reason you would believe that is if you accepted several of the major premises of Islam, because otherwise it deoesnt make any sense.

The best non-religious/secular critique of somebody's morals, that I have heard, is "how is that working out for you". For anyone who can, hide a porn addiction, its probably working out great, or maybe they've even got a lady friend who is into it, jee I don't know...

So yeah discipline as an ethic and a way of proving to yourself that you are strong and can resist even the temptations of your own body. Thats the benefit, the opposite is the harm. Lack of self control makes you feel worthless because you can't avoid temptation.

[Shurpeh]

I don't feel worthless/lacking of self control because I wank lmao that's silly, maybe if I was ignoring things in my life so I could sure.. and wanking doesn't automatically mean you're addicted to porn.


Religious beliefs sure but feeling inadequate because you wank seems indicidative of super low self esteem or some other issue, rather than it being inherently "bad"


I dunno I just can't wrap my head around this

[the Analogist]

If you don't feel bad about wanking its probably because you don't believe it is wrong. Some just come to believe it is childish. I've also heard it makes you a beta male (doing it too much), because your just kind of off to the side watching the alpha male with his alpha female. Some in NOFAP seem to suggest that if you drop the habit you can become an alpha male too and attract the best women. To be honest, I buy that. If you refocus your efforts on ACTUALLY attaining women with the added confidence from "I dropped that habit like a bag of dirt", yeah, makes sense.

But yeah, if you don't believe your doing anything wrong you won't feel that way either. From an Islamic point of view that's a good definition of corruption/perversion that you don't feel the weight of sin anymore. But yeah, if youre not a Muslim I can see how reading this causes some head scratching.

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Its like holding a standard for yourself. People with high standards are hard on themselves. Some people kinda don't have standards and they're just like chill and stuff.

The question is where do your standards come from?

[brainiac3397]

I dont fap for emotions. I fap cuz boredom and it feels good. It only takes a few minutes, then I go find something else to do to alleviate my boredom. No different than eating a delicious burger cause its delicious, finishing eating, then going off to do other stuff and slowly forgetting the sensation of that burger till you crave it at a later date.

Plus, aint nothing wrong with finding the stuff that get you going. The more you know your body, the more pleasure you can derive. Call me corrupt, but so is the world. Im just doing my thang just like everyone else.

Some see it as a leaky faucet, others consider it a pressure relief valve. Still beats drugs and alcohol IMO.

[Username]

(11-05-2016 03:34 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Still beats drugs and alcohol IMO.

I dunno man, they're both pretty nice.