What do you think of people who support compulsory education?

[Cianna200]

No I meant asexuality is linked to the joke

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(08-08-2016 06:00 AM)Cianna200 Wrote:  No I meant asexuality is linked to the joke

Yes, it is.

[Fight20]

(08-06-2016 06:13 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  

Quote:No. I'm simply stating that it must exist until its absence would be less harmful than its presence; I do not believe that whatever strides we've made in replacing it are satisfactory as of yet.

"When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with?" - Thomas Sowell

Yes, it makes sense that people would need time to adjust to a sudden removal of all the bad things in the world, like school, wage slavery jobs, etc.

School's presence isn't really the problem - the problem is the fact that a large percentage of people believe its presence is good. It's not a matter of finding something to replace it with... it's a matter of getting that large percentage of people to actually think intelligently.

It's not just school though - basically the entire way society functions needs to be changed. That will take time, and no amount of changing systems is really going to help much, as long as the people themselves (or a reasonable amount of them at least) aren't willing to grow and change for the better. They need to be motivated for this to happen, otherwise it likely will not.

But you still don't agree with compulsory education no matter what the age or time that it exists right?

[Fight20]

(08-06-2016 06:16 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  

Quote:50 million children suddenly don't have school the next morning. A considerable percentage of them live in disadvantaged neighborhoods. What do they do?

I imagine they could get together and organize something like this.

That's pretty cool.

[James Comey]

Let's do an SS bonfire

[UnicornLionWolf]

(08-04-2016 12:18 PM)Lucky-Feet Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 04:41 AM)Fight20 Wrote:  So you agree with compulsory education?

Slightly. It has its upsides and its downsides in theory and practice both, and would actually be pretty good if it weren't being implemented all wrong. I have my reasons for my opinion, and it's a lot more complicated than I've actually stated, but you have to realize that sometimes schools are the only places people feel secure.
That being said, I acknowledge that there are more bad schools than good schools, and that there are many factors that keep good schools from reaching their full beneficial potential.
I agree with intellectual resource availability. I agree with the distribution of meals. I agree with the ability to separate children from abusive homes. I agree with making sure people know things that they need to know.
That doesn't mean I don't think that every school system I've ever heard of is shitty, of course, because they are shitty as hell. There's only one school I've ever been to that I like much, and even it has its critical downsides.

Peers can be abusive. Maybe kids would be exposed to more abuse at school than at home in some cases. I was bullied.

[the Analogist]

About this bonfire Hans, just how spread out are we on SS?

[Username]

This thread.

[James Comey]

(08-30-2016 03:06 AM)the Analogist Wrote:  About this bonfire Hans, just how spread out are we on SS?

Thousands of miles I presume.

[Fight20]

(08-01-2016 05:34 AM)the Analogist Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 02:15 AM)TheCancer Wrote:  At what age or at what point do you think education should be driven by specific practical purpose?

First of all, that specific practical purpose should be decided by and done by the student. When it makes sense, the role of the teacher shifts into being a mentor with whom the student simply consults. When they are still "learning from us" instead of "learning themselves"... I don't think these are two stages. My two year olds are quite adept hobbyists. They like to wreck things and pretend. I really don't think this distinction makes sense.

Please read My Musings in the Alternative learning section, its pretty much laid out there.

Quote:How do we prepare kids for adulthood/working?
The process I envision is as follows, that the natural interests of children are encouraged enthusiastically at first, and as they grow up over time, our support becomes more challenging and critical.

The “facts of life” are, as facts, a matter where the child should be sat down and made to listen, but we have to be honest with ourselves about where our knowledge ends, and work, perhaps even with them, to fill those gaps.

Trips outside the house to find information and the people who have it are wonderful, meaningful, purposeful adventures which can result in contacts, networks, and even the possibility of referrals to people in a position to employ or invest.

If your child wants to be a(n) “X”, find some “X’s”, and ask them hard questions about what is it really like and how do you get in. Curiosity needs to be satisfied and the greater world needs to be made available to pique such curiosity.

Don’t just “get out of the house”, do it with purpose, conviction, and objectives, even if they are vague.

I wrote this for my pamphlet. I don't pretend to know what age works for each kid. Depends on their interests and what they want to learn about and do. Some stuff can start super young like construction, others you won't understand until you're older like coding.

My intent in being open ended is not to create any arbitrary benchmarks.

The only parallel or analogy I offer is from the Muslim tradition. We are supposed to teach our kids to pray when they are 7, make them do it at 10, because one they enter puberty (varies per kid as well) THAT is the age when Allah begins recording sins.

To clarify further, the Prophet's (saws) cousin 'Ali (ra) recommended that from 0-7 you play with your kids, from 7-14 you teach them, from 14 to 21 you befriend them, and from 21 and on you let them go.

So on THAT basis, I would say around 10... but it depends

So you agree with compulsory education to a point?

[Ilija.m]

(07-31-2016 04:25 AM)Fight20 Wrote:  What do you think of people who support compulsory education? I mean I don't like them in that regard. I feel like they're part of the problem.

What do you people think?

I think these people don't know stuff they are told something which they think if the child is better at school I think they are not very known if the current system teaches their child something

[the Analogist]

I don't agree with compulsory education.

My home school is going to be like a Sudbury school except instead of a democracy, I am the King, and we have weekly meeting where we discuss what were going to do that week.