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A professor who knows school is dumb?
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A professor who knows school is dumb?

I just came upon this after a long while. I bought the book years ago when I still considered being an academic.

The book is "Clueless in Academe"
http://geraldgraff.com/clueless-in-academe/

Not sure if anybody here would enjoy reading a more establishment perspective on what we seem to agree about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Graff

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A professor who knows school is dumb?

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RE: A professor who knows school is dumb?

Lots of profs are smart enough and experienced enough to know the bullshit. Unfortunately, they are rarely keen to do anything about it and dont usually do much about it beyond perhaps acknowledging its fucked up(and we will just have to deal with it).

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A professor who knows school is dumb?

This is pretty much the sentiment I got from most teachers back in the day.

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A professor who knows school is dumb?

I've met professors and graduate assistants. They're not usually hesitant to mention this, especially if they're not on campus grounds(I was at a international affairs conference). It's generally the administrators and the accreditors who dumb things down and make shit worse.

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A professor who knows school is dumb?

How so? Do they remove content or something?

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A professor who knows school is dumb?

Well administrators are generally their bosses or, being the bureaucracy, capable of sticking a wrench in the professors' ability to operate effectively. In the end, the admins are the ones controlling the budget, the staffing, the class room placement, and all the "administrative" stuff the professors need.

As for accreditors, those fuckers tend to prevent any kind of progressive reform in colleges by stepping in and shitting over any such attempt. The entire purpose of accreditors seems to be to make sure colleges don't innovate. It happened at my college. They came up with an innovative thing that'd reduce class time on-campus but still ensure we learned the topic(by "outsourcing" to extracurricular stuff as required by the specific professors).

Accreditors came in though and were like "nah, can't do this" and completely fucked up the schedules. In other words, the only job of accredidation is to prevent change by forcing schools to adhere to narrow guidelines in return for access to federal aid money. Thus, you can't innovate unless you risk losing students who rely on financial aid from the government.

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A professor who knows school is dumb?

Shit, things are that desperate aren't they?

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RE: A professor who knows school is dumb?

No one understands the idiocy of our schools better than instructors. I get that as students you're experiencing it first hand but to really understand how institutionally ingrained the foolishness (or even viciousness) it all is you have to work there. Get a group of teachers behind closed doors and all you hear about is how horrid it all is. All the same bureaucratic oppressiveness inflicted on students is inflicted on teachers as well. We're forced to be awful people in order to keep our jobs. That's kindergarten through college.

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A professor who knows school is dumb?

Yeah it sounds like teachers want to improve things but can't because of bullshittery going on in the higher ups.

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RE: A professor who knows school is dumb?

It's like going to prison for 8 hours a day (without the sexual violence, hopefully)

If you want to be a different fish, you've got to jump out of the school.


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A professor who knows school is dumb?

The problem is, that while a lot of people are aware of this they do nothing about it. They either don't recognize the scale on which school (and its substandard, mediocre approach to learning) affects people or don't care because they aren't affected much personally.

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RE: A professor who knows school is dumb?

I'm personally exhausted and have decided to give up on it.

If you want to be a different fish, you've got to jump out of the school.


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RE: A professor who knows school is dumb?

(Yesterday 09:36 PM)TheCancer Wrote:  It's like going to prison for 8 hours a day (without the sexual violence, hopefully)

Unfortunately it happens more often than not...

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A professor who knows school is dumb?

It gets worse. The graduate assistants I met had problems with getting paid and getting time to do research. Supposedly the tenured/senior professors would dump the classwork on them, and they already tend to get shit pay and no guaranteed schedule, and not being able to do research is like a death sentence for folk trying to finish their graduate studies.

It's a "shit downwards" system and the students tend to be at the bottom of the barrel.

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RE: A professor who knows school is dumb?

Also if you can't research you're not really using the time to learn anything that might be marketable. I'm thinking of going back to college but I'm not doing that TA/ internship garbage. If I go back it's going to be a monomaniacal attempt use their resources to discover something marketable and patentable. I don't care about the degree. I need some kind of break. I need to go for broke. This life is killing me.

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A professor who knows school is dumb?

Going for broke is probably the best mentality you can have. I've learned to always like the odds, no matter how slim.

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