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I live in South Africa, and I don't see much appreciation of books or schools here, even from the rural poor people who actually have them.

In fact, they seem more likely to burn it for warmth, or just for shits and giggles, I don't know. Shrug

So that guilt trip thing is all a confirmed load of shit, and you can take it from me.

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(02-27-2016 08:17 PM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I live in South Africa, and I don't see much appreciation of books or schools here, even from the rural poor people who actually have them.

What is you doing in South Africa?

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(02-27-2016 08:17 PM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I live in South Africa, and I don't see much appreciation of books or schools here, even from the rural poor people who actually have them.

What is you doing in South Africa?

Being South African.

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I splitted this.

What am I doing here... I live here. Always have. A lot of people I know are leaving the country, but I'm still here.

Here's some relevant stuff that's been happening lately here:
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http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/students-agai...te-people/

... they seem too busy burning things to appreciate regular education and schools, let alone real learning. Clearly they don't usually think that far (there are exceptions, but this seems to be the norm).

No amount of schooling will cure this amount of stupid. I'm not sure what will. #moronsmustfall because hashtags solve everything.

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My cousin (not blood related) is from South Africa. She moved over here to complete high school.
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I feel sorry for the remaining whites in South Africa and Zimbabwe. They're in a real pickle. No matter what kind of person they are or what kind of life they've lived the world has no sympathy for their plight. And white people can't solve black South Africa's problems. Fair or unfair the blacks have to solve it themselves. And restating the blame again and again has no practical value for anyone. No matter how much you vilify whites and no matter how much they deserve villification it still doesn't do a damn thing to help the blacks.

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The issue in southern Africa is that these leaders thought they were doing a good thing by "ridding of the colonists". Of course, this plan doesn't exactly work when these said colonists actually understood what they were doing, running agriculture and industries (no offense). Just look at Zimbabwe, that place is a complete shitshow.

The only way this could even work is if you build from ground up; improve the systems, and you'll see gradual integration. Most competent-enough economies understand this, but not in southern Africa. No, deport people who were skilled, that always works.

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I completely agree.

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My parents always told me to finish my food because there were kids starving in Africa

I want you to know I finished my dinner tonight

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I've never actually witnessed anyone say the "starving kids in Africa" thing outside of movies, so for more than half of my life I thought it was just a cliched device to make audiences sympathize with the child by portraying the parents as so stupid that they think Africa is in the child's stomach.

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This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.

Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"

Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.

People are allowed to change their views.

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Yeah the Congonese definitely didnt understand how great the Belgians were for them...

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(02-29-2016 09:14 AM)vonunov Wrote:  My parents always told me to finish my food because there were kids starving in Africa

I want you to know I finished my dinner tonight

that should help you feel less hungry

(02-29-2016 09:44 AM)no Wrote:  I've never actually witnessed anyone say the "starving kids in Africa" thing outside of movies, so for more than half of my life I thought it was just a cliched device to make audiences sympathize with the child by portraying the parents as so stupid that they think Africa is in the child's stomach.


The point more or less is that you should be thankful of what you have that others don't; my dad used to preach this to me, but to be fair he did see a lot of people in person suffer from malnutrition (though he usually had enough for himself), so I could see where he was coming from.

Of course, this assumes Africa is a homogeneous continent full of dumb black people who've no idea of civilization, from Morocco to South Africa, to Cape Verde till Madagascar, so this canard can be seen as pretty racist, ignorant, and offensive. Different countries have different situations, I think enough has been said.

I remember I created a thread about world hunger, relating to the mass numbers of food we waste every year, said food would likely be useful in countries in desperate situations. It still makes me think...

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"Yeah the Congonese definitely didnt understand how great the Belgians were for them..."

Is that in response to anything anyone said or was it just totally random?

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Quote:Of course, this assumes Africa is a homogeneous continent full of dumb black people who've no idea of civilization, from Morocco to South Africa, to Cape Verde till Madagascar, so this canard can be seen as pretty racist, ignorant, and offensive. Different countries have different situations, I think enough has been said.

Yeah, I think many of the "starving African kids" themselves will tell you you're racist if you talk to them about it. Some might even set you on fire. Nutter

Quote:The only way this could even work is if you build from ground up; improve the systems, and you'll see gradual integration. Most competent-enough economies understand this, but not in southern Africa. No, deport people who were skilled, that always works.
Yeah. And then the economy goes to shit and people lose their jobs and then they stage protests about all the things they lost, and still somehow blame it all on the white people who are still left in the country... being stingy & racist, bringing them down, or somesuch. I don't know. I think most of this was actually instigated by some shitheads who just want to cause mayhem (probably Julius Malema), because I can't imagine that people who are dumb enough to believe any of this shit are also smart enough to organize protests all on their own. To them it's probably "yay I get to be part of a movement in South Africa"...

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(02-29-2016 08:38 AM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  The issue in southern Africa is that these leaders thought they were doing a good thing by "ridding of the colonists". Of course, this plan doesn't exactly work when these said colonists actually understood what they were doing, running agriculture and industries (no offense). Just look at Zimbabwe, that place is a complete shitshow.

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The Congo(s) and Zimbabwe are different places.

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(03-01-2016 12:54 PM)TheCancer Wrote:  The Congo(s) and Zimbabwe are different places.

Both are African and both were colonized. All the colonial powers were bad in some way regardless of what perceived benefit they were(and that benefit was usually intended to make it suitable for European habitation).

They don't say that the Maxim gun made colonial empire building possible for nothing. Doesn't apply to Africa either. China got it pretty bad by colonial powers as well.

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Of course the colonists were pretty much mixed apples, but my point was that the land reforms were much more harmful to the natives because unfortunately they had no idea how to run the farms. It's apples and oranges.

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You can either obsess over history or try to find a solution that works.

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(03-01-2016 08:12 PM)TheCancer Wrote:  You can either obsess over history or try to find a solution that works.

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(02-29-2016 08:38 AM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  The issue in southern Africa is that these leaders thought they were doing a good thing by "ridding of the colonists". Of course, this plan doesn't exactly work when these said colonists actually understood what they were doing, running agriculture and industries (no offense). Just look at Zimbabwe, that place is a complete shitshow.

The only way this could even work is if you build from ground up; improve the systems, and you'll see gradual integration. Most competent-enough economies understand this, but not in southern Africa. No, deport people who were skilled, that always works.

Most Indians don't like to admit that we had British support for about 80% of our religious reformation. We're a younger republic compared to America, and I wonder where we're headed.

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BTW I just saw ad for South Africa tourism. Never saw one before.

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