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Once-active SS-user is now conventionally successful. Discuss.

Life got much less horrible for me after I moved away from home for uni. I now appear to be successful in a very conventional sense.
  • I have saved enough money for retirement.
  • I am somewhat famous within a professional circle.
  • I sleep a lot.
  • I generally seem happy.
  • When I work, it's for things that sound smart and fancy.

I also seem reasonably proper and respectable. For example, I don't drink nor smoke, and it's hard to make me angry (because being angry is a lot of work).

So what would I possibly be doing on a silly website for lazy kids who don't want to go to school because they think they know what's good for them? Perhaps it's because I'm a lazy kid who doesn't want to go to school because I think I know what's good for me. Actually, I am much lazier now; I was in high school when I first joined the site, and the real world is way easier.

I recall that, about ten years ago, the reason I wanted to become conventionally successful was so that I could say ridiculous things like "Kids who hate school shouldn't have to go to school." and have normal people listen to me. I am now in this position!

I say ridiculous things like that all the time now, and people listen to me, but I usually don't talk about primary school nor secondary school. And only about an hour ago did I notice this omission of school talk.

Maybe you have some ideas about settings where I can spread dissent about school. Or maybe not. I'm writing this mostly because I couldn't sleep.
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RE: Once-active SS-user is now conventionally successful. Discuss.

It depends what impact you're trying to have - surprisingly enough, you don't have to be all that successful to get away with saying things like that. I'm only successful in the sense that my parents wouldn't be embarrassed to tell people what I'm doing (badly-paid but somewhat important-sounding job, did a talk somewhere that sounds smart and fancy last week, going to grad school in the fall), and while people are not necessarily convinced, they don't dismiss it outright.

So, the short answer is talk about it when it comes up. (Probably frame this is terms of what you wish you had done in high school instead of what you would do with your own hypothetical children, because that is a thing that tends to annoy parents.)

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I almost kind of wish I looked more un-respectable at first glance so that I could get stupid reactions out of people (like the old "you'll never get anywhere"), so that I can then laugh at them when I explain that I make money in my sleep. But I don't really come across such obnoxious people very often anyway (it's almost like they actually disappear after one loses contact with most parents and teachers... or is it just me?).

Most people are just jealous of me. Then again, I can't really tell people much about how I think people shouldn't have to go to school, because of course I'm an "exception" and all that. Do people ever consider you an exception?

Quote:Probably frame this is terms of what you wish you had done in high school instead of what you would do with your own hypothetical children, because that is a thing that tends to annoy parents.
I want to annoy the shit out of most parents I come across for some reason. Evil

I've gotten into a couple of arguments with some people about how hitting kids is wrong, but not much about school. I guess because most people who know me already know my stance on that...

If you really want to spread it around, maybe print it on a t-shirt or bumper sticker and wear it everywhere you go?

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Thanks for posting! And welcome back. It's good to hear from you.

I have all kinds of ideas about settings and ways to spread the word; this is a major focus of my life. If you'd like to connect with a lot of others with similar interests, there are some groups on FB that are worth joining (if you're on there or open to making an account, like Dialogue on Education.) I also have a (newish) organization called Catalyst Learning Network with a core goal of spreading the word, as well as helping create viable alternatives to traditional school that families might be open to, vs. the common (mis)conceptions about homeschooling. ([url=
]Here's a list of things Catalyst is working on.[/url])

If you'd like to learn more about the range of adults who are also vocal about the problems with factory-model schooling, and the many paths to success without it, there's a lot to dive into. I've found a pretty big network of them over the past few years. But a huge gap remains between all that, and the reality of school and parenting for a lot of young people.

So many people are struggling in increasingly outdated and test-driven school, and/or figuring out life beyond it, when their parents and others in their lives aren't open to thinking beyond school... college... job, even when you don't need high school for college, and college isn't the only path to success, or a guarantee of it.

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Pfft. I already beat you to it(at least in the sense I've posted about it before ya).

Congrats anyways.

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RE: Once-active SS-user is now conventionally successful. Discuss.

Thanks for the responses!

Quote:I almost kind of wish I looked more un-respectable at first glance so that I could get stupid reactions out of people (like the old "you'll never get anywhere"), so that I can then laugh at them when I explain that I make money in my sleep.
I love doing this. I tell people that I do "odd jobs" and that my work "isn't interesting", which are both true, and then they sometimes give me career advice. And then I listen. And I probably make more money than they do. I think this helps me get over the "imposter syndrome" that people recently like talking about.

More response later.

It might be nice to respond less publicly so I can reference things I have done and still remain pseudononymous.
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Quote:I love doing this. I tell people that I do "odd jobs" and that my work "isn't interesting", which are both true, and then they sometimes give me career advice. And then I listen. And I probably make more money than they do. I think this helps me get over the "imposter syndrome" that people recently like talking about.
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That sounds like fun.

"I'm unemployed, but every now and then I find something to do for a little while... but most of the time I just don't work."

I mean, most of the time people assume it's a binary, either you're employed or unemployed...

Now all I need is to meet more people to test stuff on... without someone else around to introduce me before I even get a chance to speak (that happens a lot for some reason).

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I think I need to surround myself with people who respect my accomplishments and are also very into school and have no idea that my views on schooling are what they are.

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(07-27-2015 05:42 PM)Will Wrote:  Life got much less horrible for me after I moved away from home for uni. I now appear to be successful in a very conventional sense.
  • I have saved enough money for retirement.
  • I am somewhat famous within a professional circle.
  • I sleep a lot.
  • I generally seem happy.
  • When I work, it's for things that sound smart and fancy.

I also seem reasonably proper and respectable. For example, I don't drink nor smoke, and it's hard to make me angry (because being angry is a lot of work).

So what would I possibly be doing on a silly website for lazy kids who don't want to go to school because they think they know what's good for them? Perhaps it's because I'm a lazy kid who doesn't want to go to school because I think I know what's good for me. Actually, I am much lazier now; I was in high school when I first joined the site, and the real world is way easier.

I recall that, about ten years ago, the reason I wanted to become conventionally successful was so that I could say ridiculous things like "Kids who hate school shouldn't have to go to school." and have normal people listen to me. I am now in this position!

I say ridiculous things like that all the time now, and people listen to me, but I usually don't talk about primary school nor secondary school. And only about an hour ago did I notice this omission of school talk.

Maybe you have some ideas about settings where I can spread dissent about school. Or maybe not. I'm writing this mostly because I couldn't sleep.

Wherever you are Will, I hope you're having a lot of success.

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