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The USA Legalized Gay Marriage Nationwide

The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 to allow gay marriage nationwide.

Read the article yourself. I'm back, who would've known? Mwahaha I'm glad to be back and I'm certainly glad to live in a society where we have legalized gay marriage. What do you guys think about all this? I think it's great![/quote]

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But mah gawd says iz bad! Says so in this here book made back when the wheel was bleeding edge. Clearly every single letter of this perfect book done be perfect moral absolutes on how to live in our modern world.

P.S. Here in murika we need the freedom to murder each other with metal-shootin' sticks but not to openly love the person we want to, because this is what upstanding, moral citizens do.

P.P.S. If God is proven to not exist, which is impossible, I have a backup religion of pee-troleum!

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This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.

Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"

Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.

People are allowed to change their views.

Nevertheless, this period of my life has informed some of how I am today. In good ways and bad ways. To purge it would be to do a disservice to history. Perhaps it will not make anyone sympathetic, but it may help someone understand.

If, after reading all this, you still decide to use the post above as evidence that I am evil today, ask yourself if you have never disagreed with the moral code you now follow. In all likelihood you did, at some point. If some questions are verboten, and the answer is "how dare you ask that," don't expect your ideological opponents to ever change their minds.
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Quote:In dissent, Chief Justice Roberts said the majority opinion was “an act of will, not legal judgment.”

The court invalidates the marriage laws of more than half the states and orders the transformation of a social institution that has formed the basis of human society for millennia, for the Kalahari Bushmen and the Han Chinese, the Carthaginians and the Aztecs,” he wrote. “Just who do we think we are?”


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Quote:Being gay is not some new fad. Gay people have always been around, which means they have always formed relationships. And, to different legal standards, many of these relationships were what we would consider marriages.

Gay marriage was not uncommon in Ancient Rome; even the Emperor Nero publicly married at least two men. During the Ming Dynasty in China, it was not uncommon for older men to marry young men and bring them into their families as official sons-in-law. While Christianity officially frowned on men marrying each other, they also came up with a way around this taboo. Both the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic church allowed "brother-making" in which two totally straight single guys had an official ceremony telling everyone what good friends they were and how they were going to live together and pray together but totally not do any guy-on-guy stuff.


Single women living together has always been more acceptable than men cohabiting (because women don't have sex drives, right?), but that doesn't mean that all female "roommates" tried to hide their bean-flicking activities from their neighbors. Many of them were open about their relationships, and both the women involved and their friends considered the couples married, whether they had gone through a ceremony or not. In the late 1800s, these relationships were called Boston Marriages. In at least one case, Sylvia Drake and Charity Bryant were considered a "common household" under the law for tax purposes. In Spain in 1901, Elisa Sanchez Loriga pretended to be a man in order to marry Marcela Gracia Ibeas. Despite needing to use deception, after they were found out, the marriage was still allowed to stand.

If you want to admit you don't like the idea of same-sex marriage because it makes you think of sex that makes you feel icky, feel free to say it. I'm sure everyone would feel better knowing how much you fixate on their bedroom antics. But it's time to stop pretending that "traditional marriage" exists. Gay marriage is now legal in 18 countries, including Luxembourg, Uruguay, and South Africa. So come on, Supreme Court. Do the right thing. Make America as progressive in civil rights as South Africa.

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Today, we will be reasonable.

Today, we will be free.



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This one's for you, all LGBTQ members of SS.

This one's for you, every other member out in the world.

But it's also for you, non-members. In assuring our own freedoms, we reaffirm the reasons for your freedom to which were given to you, and remind us all that we can be free. Though gay marriage is legal, the struggle is not over. Discrimination still persists in neglecting opportunities for employment, housing, hotel rentals, adoption, etc. Let's all work to make the world a better place.

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yeah, I totally support it.

Simplest put, a human should be able to love whomever they want and marry whomever they want. Whether that human is of the opposite sex or not.

My step-grandfather's younger brother is gay and been in a relationship for (I think) 30 years ish.

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Like said elsewhere, I dont support LGBT but I dont believe marriage should be a legal status beyond a simple census statistic (so none of that govt permit stuff to get married).

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(06-28-2015 03:39 PM)no Wrote:  But mah gawd says iz bad! Says so in this here book made back when the wheel was bleeding edge. Clearly every single letter of this perfect book done be perfect moral absolutes on how to live in our modern world.

P.S. Here in murika we need the freedom to murder each other with metal-shootin' sticks but not to openly love the person we want to, because this is what upstanding, moral citizens do.

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(06-28-2015 06:45 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Like said elsewhere, I dont support LGBT but I dont believe marriage should be a legal status beyond a simple census statistic (so none of that govt permit stuff to get married).

As for marriage, there's a much better alternative to it.
Has anyone here heard of Free love? I would much prefer it.

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(06-28-2015 06:45 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Like said elsewhere, I dont support LGBT but I dont believe marriage should be a legal status beyond a simple census statistic (so none of that govt permit stuff to get married).

Why don't you support LGBT?


Quote:As for marriage, there's a much better alternative to it.
Has anyone here heard of Free love? I would much prefer it.

I'm all for open relationships, but the case here is that in the US when you get married you get certain privileges not given if you were single or seperate.

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I'm surprised it took "the land of the free" so long to do this. Razz

Anyway, yay, progress and stuff.

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(06-29-2015 03:47 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I'm surprised it took "the land of the free" so long to do this. Razz

Anyway, yay, progress and stuff.
So long? There are still literally dozens of nations where homosexuality is criminalized - just because the US wasn't the very first nation out the gate doesn't mean we're not progressive.

Also, glad to see all of this celebration surrounding gay marriage and whatnot, but where's the love (or lack thereof) for the asexuals, eh?

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(06-29-2015 03:47 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I'm surprised it took "the land of the free" so long to do this. Razz

Anyway, yay, progress and stuff.
So long? There are still literally dozens of nations where homosexuality is criminalized - just because the US wasn't the very first nation out the gate doesn't mean we're not progressive.

Also, glad to see all of this celebration surrounding gay marriage and whatnot, but where's the love (or lack thereof) for the asexuals, eh?

I assume asexuals wouldn't really want to be married, so the problem is more of a social issue than governmental.

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STDs killed Free Love. And technically it probably still keeps it dead since there is no perfect protective measure. Free love is just a dead utopic concept thats more likely to cause STD outbreaks and create a societal opinion of folk being nothing more than fuck tools.

Then again I have a tendency towards conservatism in such regards. Plus free love would ruin the excitement from the general stigma of open sexuality. Its like losing that daring edge.

And I dont support LGBT cause I personally dont approve of homosexuality. However considering my stronger belief in individual liberty(to a certain extent), while I dont support them, I dont care to actively voice against them because I really dont care(i mean the whole basis of antigay is basically religious. I too am religious, but seeing as Im not gay I dont see much an issue there other than a bunch of biblethumpers wanting to institute sharia...I mean moral laws)

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(06-29-2015 04:23 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  STDs killed Free Love. And technically it probably still keeps it dead since there is no perfect protective measure. Free love is just a dead utopic concept thats more likely to cause STD outbreaks and create a societal opinion of folk being nothing more than fuck tools.

Then again I have a tendency towards conservatism in such regards. Plus free love would ruin the excitement from the general stigma of open sexuality. Its like losing that daring edge.

I can think of one preventive measure: condoms.
Free love can lead to relationships (polyamory) that can be romantic, or not. It's up to those individuals. Whether or not it would lose edge doesn't interest me, it's their choice and come what may. It wouldn't be enough to repress it.

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Condoms are not 100% protective. Even CDC says that best protection is abstinence or long-term monogamy. So sooner or later the STD rate will take a nice curve upwards, especially those STDs that can transmit from other bodily fluids through non-sexual means.

Wut what? I cant personally disapprove of homosexuality? Just cause I dont rant about how gays will go to hell or something doesnt imply support.

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About time, now all we need is to raise more awareness to the asexual community, and it must be accepted too.
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(06-29-2015 03:47 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I'm surprised it took "the land of the free" so long to do this. Razz

Anyway, yay, progress and stuff.
So long? There are still literally dozens of nations where homosexuality is criminalized - just because the US wasn't the very first nation out the gate doesn't mean we're not progressive.

Also, glad to see all of this celebration surrounding gay marriage and whatnot, but where's the love (or lack thereof) for the asexuals, eh?

I assume asexuals wouldn't really want to be married, so the problem is more of a social issue than governmental.

I said asexuals, not aromantics.

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(06-29-2015 09:35 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Condoms are not 100% protective. Even CDC says that best protection is abstinence or long-term monogamy. So sooner or later the STD rate will take a nice curve upwards, especially those STDs that can transmit from other bodily fluids through non-sexual means.

Wut what? I cant personally disapprove of homosexuality? Just cause I dont rant about how gays will go to hell or something doesnt imply support.

if it can transmit through non-sexual means then the sex part is moot. Condoms are effective most of the time so that will suffice. As for the STD rate you don't know that for sure so who are you to say what'll happen?

I don't understand how you can "personally" disapprove of it, there has to be an actual reason...

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They can still marry so the point I made is basically the same.

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No it ain't! Murika is about JEEEEEEEEEZUUUUUUS!

Hello, traveler.

This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.

Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"

Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.

People are allowed to change their views.

Nevertheless, this period of my life has informed some of how I am today. In good ways and bad ways. To purge it would be to do a disservice to history. Perhaps it will not make anyone sympathetic, but it may help someone understand.

If, after reading all this, you still decide to use the post above as evidence that I am evil today, ask yourself if you have never disagreed with the moral code you now follow. In all likelihood you did, at some point. If some questions are verboten, and the answer is "how dare you ask that," don't expect your ideological opponents to ever change their minds.
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(06-29-2015 09:35 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Condoms are not 100% protective. Even CDC says that best protection is abstinence or long-term monogamy. So sooner or later the STD rate will take a nice curve upwards, especially those STDs that can transmit from other bodily fluids through non-sexual means.

Wut what? I cant personally disapprove of homosexuality? Just cause I dont rant about how gays will go to hell or something doesnt imply support.

if it can transmit through non-sexual means then the sex part is moot. Condoms are effective most of the time so that will suffice. As for the STD rate you don't know that for sure so who are you to say what'll happen?

I don't understand how you can "personally" disapprove of it, there has to be an actual reason...

Quote:I said asexuals, not aromantics.
They can still marry so the point I made is basically the same.

If Libertarians can talk about theortical economic utopias, I'm sure I can mention theoretical STD rates, and fortunately STDs are better grounded in reality.

It's not like they're not doing research and studies into this stuff. Just cause it's called an STD doesn't mean u need to have sex to get it. And condoms are only as effective as the precautions of the user(not to mention also using dental dams for oral sex).

People are more educated by porn than proper sexual safety, and unfortunately for them porn is a very bad form of education.

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Anyway, yay, progress and stuff.
So long? There are still literally dozens of nations where homosexuality is criminalized - just because the US wasn't the very first nation out the gate doesn't mean we're not progressive.
Ok, yes, but it's worth noting homosexuality was only decriminalized nationwide in the US a little more than a decade ago, [and a fairly significant minority of Americans, just under a third, still believe homosexuality should be illegal].

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(06-30-2015 12:33 PM)magikarp Wrote:  
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(06-29-2015 03:47 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I'm surprised it took "the land of the free" so long to do this. Razz

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So long? There are still literally dozens of nations where homosexuality is criminalized - just because the US wasn't the very first nation out the gate doesn't mean we're not progressive.
Ok, yes, but it's worth noting homosexuality was only decriminalized nationwide in the US a little more than a decade ago, [and a fairly significant minority of Americans, just under a third, still believe homosexuality should be illegal].

Homosexual marriage was illegal only a short time ago. In much of the world, simply being homosexual is cause enough to be jailed or - in the case of a few Middle Eastern nations - executed.

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(06-30-2015 01:32 PM)DoA Wrote:  
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(06-29-2015 07:00 AM)DoA Wrote:  
(06-29-2015 03:47 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I'm surprised it took "the land of the free" so long to do this. Razz

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So long? There are still literally dozens of nations where homosexuality is criminalized - just because the US wasn't the very first nation out the gate doesn't mean we're not progressive.
Ok, yes, but it's worth noting homosexuality was only decriminalized nationwide in the US a little more than a decade ago, [and a fairly significant minority of Americans, just under a third, still believe homosexuality should be illegal].

Homosexual marriage was illegal only a short time ago. In much of the world, simply being homosexual is cause enough to be jailed or - in the case of a few Middle Eastern nations - executed.
Simply being homosexual (or having gay sex, at least) was enough to be jailed in [parts of] the US literally a decade ago, 30-some years after most of the Western world.

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(06-28-2015 06:45 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Like said elsewhere, I dont support LGBT but I dont believe marriage should be a legal status beyond a simple census statistic (so none of that govt permit stuff to get married).
So what do you with the things currently regulated by marriage? (Thinking things like spousal immigration, inheritance law/tax, spousal pensions, health insurance, visitation of step-children here. Hospital visitation and who's considered next of kin are more straightforward to deal with.)

I actually don't, on a broad time horizon, support legal marriage but abolishing it involves a combination of major changes to marriage-as-we-know-it (in the sense that there'd be no guarantee you can, for example, move abroad with your spouse, and that not having legally combined finances means being a stay-at-home parent is a risky move) or major changes to social welfare, immigration law, etc.

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I'm not saying abolish marriage, and I'm not saying abandon legal regulation of those aspects. I'm simply saying that one shouldn't have to get a permit or go to a court or city hall to get a "marriage license". Leave it up to them how to decide on accepting the status of being married(and everything that comes along with it).

A spouse is still a spouse. And welfare/immigration/tax law isn't tied so tightly into the legal status of marriage. One should simply be able to get married without getting permission from the government(look at that county in Alabama. The judges are protesting the gay marriage thing by refusing to allow ANY marriage).

It's not as complicated or in-depth as you think.

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...Marriage has quite a lot to do with immigration actually in the US, in the sense that spousal immigration is more or less automatically approved assuming your income is considered sufficient to support a family, whereas other forms of immigration require waiting for a limited number of immigrant visas. (So w/o legal recognition of marriage, either you get rid of that automatic approval, or anyone can sponsor anyone by claiming to be married.) Also with inheritance tax law, although most of the US doesn't actually have inheritance tax except on very large estates.

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(07-01-2015 08:55 AM)magikarp Wrote:  ...Marriage has quite a lot to do with immigration actually in the US, in the sense that spousal immigration is more or less automatically approved assuming your income is considered sufficient to support a family, whereas other forms of immigration require waiting for a limited number of immigrant visas. (So w/o legal recognition of marriage, either you get rid of that automatic approval, or anyone can sponsor anyone by claiming to be married.) Also with inheritance tax law, although most of the US doesn't actually have inheritance tax except on very large estates.

This here explains why a lot of Russian/Ukrainian chicks always seem to contact me on penpal sites. They're looking for citizenship.

Pretty much though I support this. If 2 men or women want to be miserable with each other for the rest of their life - so be it. There's no real reason to oppose it, other than "I hate gays" or tradition.

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(07-01-2015 08:55 AM)magikarp Wrote:  ...Marriage has quite a lot to do with immigration actually in the US, in the sense that spousal immigration is more or less automatically approved assuming your income is considered sufficient to support a family, whereas other forms of immigration require waiting for a limited number of immigrant visas. (So w/o legal recognition of marriage, either you get rid of that automatic approval, or anyone can sponsor anyone by claiming to be married.) Also with inheritance tax law, although most of the US doesn't actually have inheritance tax except on very large estates.

I meant in the sense that just because the government stops requiring a permit to marry, it doesn't suddenly screw up all the other systems in place. The government can still recognize a marriage without making you get a permit.

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I'd be happy if the world got rid of citizenship entirely and just let people live wherever they damn well want to.

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(07-04-2015 03:20 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I'd be happy if the world got rid of citizenship entirely and just let people live wherever they damn well want to.

Then you'd either have to eliminate nation and borders.

or it wouldn't work since the purpose of citizenship is to guarantee that those who are considered citizens, thus residents, to have the proper privileges and rights granted to them.

My opinion is that we need New World Order with a single government...then you'd be a citizen of the world and could go anywhere. Even the wastelands of the nations that refused to join and were annihilated!

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