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Do I need to high school diploma or a G.E.D in order to get a job?
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Do I need to high school diploma or a G.E.D in order to get a job?

I feel rather restricted and kind of trapped in my little cage in society, including the people around me that I must get myself a high school degree in order to get in any jobs, since that is unquestionably and mandatory needed in society including in working at McDonald's or a otherwise minimum wage job. I told him why he's threatening to call the cops and yelling at me, he's saying that he's worried about my future, and that he doesn't want me to live in the streets. He say's that going to higher education will lead to more opportunities and greater employment and a higher status in society. So it seems to me people are dealing with the bullshit in school right now papers, homework, essays, projects, AP classes is for the sake and purpose of elevating and reaching a higher level and attainment in society, they seem to be more concerned about getting a well paying job than the actual learning and developing of one's soul. Those who refuse to do the work in school will be laughed at called lazy, didn't show enough courage or persistence and those who obey to the status quo of accepting the current model of education which is demeaning, materialistic and soul crushing are called intelligent, cares about their own future (people don't question that phrase, but what it really and truly means is to achieve monetary gains). But I think this a rather perpetual cycle of debt, bureaucracy. I doubt that no matter how hard or how much effort I put into achieving or getting A p.h.d I will be mounted with debt. Sure P.h.d students, masters degree students are getting a better median weekly income than all other education creditably, but they are locked onto a consumer culture of working,eating,sleeping, and even though they likely will have a nice house, nice car, and shop to whole foods market frequently it's still dis empowering and horrible. So instead for me I am going to take the alternative blue collar work which is seen as a last alternative for people who fail to do well in school and are considered the losers of society. But afraid that if employers actually care whether or not about high school diploma or G.E.D.
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Do I need to high school diploma or a G.E.D in order to get a job?

GED is legally a diploma. No difference other than wording. Employers aren't allowed to discriminate because of this.

A GED is fine.

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Do I need to high school diploma or a G.E.D in order to get a job?

Hmmmm yes, but my counselor and everyone around in the environment in high school tells me that the G.E.D is very challenging and difficult. They said there no try to sway me at all. Also they believe that higher education leads to higher opportunities and a better wage in life.

Quote:GED is legally a diploma. No difference other than wording. Employers aren't allowed to discriminate because of this.

A GED is fine.

Hansghroe I'm not indentding to sound mean and hostile towards you, but is there any evidence or data collection or law that say's that employers that discriminate when It comes to G.E.D?

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Do I need to high school diploma or a G.E.D in order to get a job?

They're lying. A GED can get you into a community college, and from there you can transfer after 2 years. You can pretty much study for the GED too. I doubt it's that difficult (mostly basic english math etc).

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Do I need to high school diploma or a G.E.D in order to get a job?

Hans, sure, a job can require a diploma or a degree, IMHO.

Murk, I can see we can't shake you from your obsession about working! I understand, but I don't think your inquiries will result in satisfaction. Think instead about your own course of study, what you want to do, what volunteering you'd like to do, etc. Your job qualifications will come in time. It would be better to pursue your interests than obsess over something that will never satisfy you until you are finally ready for the workforce.

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RE: Do I need to high school diploma or a G.E.D in order to get a job?

There are LOTS of jobs that don't require a diploma or GED. How do you think teens get jobs?

If a job does require or want a diploma, usually a GED is also fine. The GED is not THAT hard; I and several dropouts I know passed it without even studying. You can take a practice test and see where you're at. If you need to study some things, you just study them and try again. We can help.

There are really two things to consider and talk to your dad about. One is, how can you get a basic job so you aren't homeless. There are lots of ways to do that. I can show you jobs in NYC you could do. What your dad is saying is simply not true. Find ways to show him examples and find out why he's so misinformed. Ask, are you open to evidence that there are jobs that don't require school. See what he says.

The other thing to discuss with him is how you might get jobs that pay more. A lot of these require college, but not all, and YOU CAN GET A COLLEGE DEGREE WITHOUT HIGH SCHOOL if you want to... You take a GED, enroll, and then you have to pass classes. At least college is usually better than high school.

But as a starting point, the fact that you can get basic jobs without high school is important to realize and discuss with parents.

Is your dad open to evidence about what's actually possible?

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RE: Do I need to high school diploma or a G.E.D in order to get a job?

this article seems interesting: http://everydaylife.globalpost.com/cause...-6128.html

There's obviously an advantage to a HS diploma over a GED. But, if the only two options you are willing to consider are either dropping out or GED, please get the GED. The main thing is you have SOMETHING, the GED or HS diploma. It's much harder to get by without one.

Also if you're wanting to do blue collar work, consider vocational school of some sort. I'm sure people here know more about that than I do.

My own advice, as someone who graduated and is in college, is to graduate if you can possibly take it. It's shitty, I know, but it gets better. School isn't some black hole that never ends, you eventually get out of the cave.

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Do I need to high school diploma or a G.E.D in order to get a job?

^I think those statistics could be skewered because of other factors (i.e. income, background, neighborhoods, etc), but interesting nonetheless.

As for exiting school, I'll just say this for everyone: that's your decision. If you're suffering serious mental issues, then it'd be wise to get out.

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RE: Do I need to high school diploma or a G.E.D in order to get a job?

A GED is a legal document from the state stating you have passed a test that proves your status as a high school graduate. Employers r ppl too though. While they can not legally discriminate by not considering a GED as legit (especially when its a legal document in itself), they can discriminate privately by any manner of excuse to why you arent eligible for employement. Thought discrimination isnt really a crime.

But you wouldnt want to work for an asshole who doesnt thing a GED is legit. However the dilemma comes from the fact that employers have been absurdly raising the standards and now want college degrees for shit that used to require a GED. I should also mention academia and the working world will never see eye to eye in many aspects. Lots of majors dont lead to those specific jobs. They even had stats somewhere showing that few people have jobs relevant to major.

Your personality, experiences, education and goals are all supplements to getting a job. If you think the only job u can do with poli sci major is politics, you'll be limiting yourself. The idea is to take those supplementing factors, find the best of them that'd apply to the job ur applying for, and voila. Unless the job is really specific (in which case an education + experience will make up for it because you'll be a whole lot cheaper to train and far more effective from the minute you start), most foundations of education should give u skills that transfer over to jobs.

Like a sniper looking for civie job wont talk about how he can kill a man a mile away. He'll talk about his skills in doing math in his head, his calm approach to sitatuions, and strong patience and determination. Technically these are things a sniper needs, but you filter it into the job world otherwise you'll scare crap out of interviewer talking about how ur patience is proof when u hid in a tree for 4 days pooping in ur pants waiting to blow some terrorists brains out and then evading a dozen giant dogs ready to tear u apart.

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Do I need to high school diploma or a G.E.D in order to get a job?

Drop out. That's what I did. I don't use any credentials and I'll happily tell someone I did because I don't want to give the traumatizing experience I had a few years ago any satisfaction.

Right now I work at an exotic pet store. They never asked me if I had a diploma or GED. Hell, they never even gave me an interview. All they cared about is if I was good with the animals and willing to learn. And that's the bottom line for many employers—experience and/or willingness to learn.

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