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Hello, I'm new to the forums here. I've been wandering around this site when I don't have homework (which isn't often) for about a month. I live on a small farm in SE Wisconsin, USA, in case anyone's curious. I'm a freshman at the nearby public high school, which is so small it actually has to combine two towns' students to get classes of about 85.
I used to really like school. My life was about 99% school, 0.9% video games, and 0.1% other things. I got extremely mad at people who said they didn't like school. In seventh, that started to loosen up a bit. I started to realize that I didn't really learn anything in school, and that was the one reason I liked it. I realized that I could be doing more interesting things than staring at stupid teachers who had no idea about what they were saying.
In eighth grade, there was a 'new kid' who I'll call S. Well, S was way too different for the people in our small, extremely Christian neighbourhood to tolerate (he was undecided religiously. I happen to think I will convert when I am 18). So, S was very hated by everyone, except for me and a few other kids. He very much disliked school. In class, he wasn't exactly disruptive, but was still constantly yelled at. He would wander around the classroom, sit in the back, and do anything but pay attention. S was also beat by his stepfather, who his mother has since divorced. He was very kind and considerate. However he and his mother since moved.
S inspired me to stand up for myself and say to my mother one day this year, "I hate school. Can't you just homeschool me or something?" Yeah, well, my father laughed, and my mother thinks I want to homeschool only because the curriculum is too easy, and she is embarrassed with the idea. She says she will look into it, but whenever I bring up the idea in public, even around people we don't know, she tells me to be quiet.
I feel that forced schools with a one-size-fits-all curriculum is just bad. But because I question the significance of Jesus Christ and their Christian ideas, I am shunned. I have about two friends, and whenever I go on a rant about religious intolerance or how much school is awful, they are embarrassed to be seen near me. They will just tolerate it, or say they would rather go to some other public school. They are afraid, the whole school is afraid, of doing anything rebellious or abnormal. When we had a test on evolution, me and one other girl (who never struck me as very religious) wrote on our tests that we couldn't write any of that. Just two people in a town where I am criticised for my beliefs and not just ignored. The fact that people won't even try to stand up for what they believe in sickens me. While I can tolerate the prejudice, being brainwashed conformists just sickens me.
Okay, I'm done ranting now, but I had to get it out since nobody listens to me. I'm actually not big on complaining, but it is ridiculous.
I love to write, read, play drums, and sing. I also write music occasionally. I am learning German (my grandfather was born in German during WWII, my grandmother was born in the German-speaking part of Switzerland, and my father speaks a reasonable amount). I happen to be strangely obsessed with chickens (used to have more than 100). I also like other small to medium sized farm animals (think cats to emus, not cows). I am by no means a vegetarian, but I will not eat pork. I love natural things, but I am not a 'humans are evil' type of a person. I used to play tons of video games, but not so much any more. I love black coffee, and I can't stand that my mother puts in so much cream that her 'coffee' is pure white. I plan on staying on this website and contributing for a while. I enjoy helping people who need it. I do quite a bit of community service and try to donate a bit to every charity I pass.
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Hello and welcome to school survival, interesting things you posted there. Also you and I have much in common Smile

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I love reading, singing, making music when I can.

I love nature but am not a humans are evil person (I do however, have more compassion for other life forms over them.

Also sorry about the whole Christian stuff, Jesus taught love your neighbor, but unfortunately not many Christians take it seriously. Smile
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(05-03-2015 11:35 PM)Cianna200 Wrote:  Hello and welcome to school survival, interesting things you posted there. Also you and I have much in common Smile

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I love reading, singing, making music when I can.

I love nature but am not a humans are evil person (I do however, have more compassion for other life forms over them.

Also sorry about the whole Christian stuff, Jesus taught love your neighbor, but unfortunately not many Christians take it seriously. Smile
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While I've always thought Jesus to be a very wise person, and have no doubts that he did exist, I look around at the horrors around me and question whether or not he truly was 'the Messiah.' So many people have hatefully murdered in Christ's name, saying it was just and required of them. That's why I've fallen back on my grandfather's religion: Judaism. I get ridiculed for it. Not nearly as severally as him (he did grow up in post WWII Germany), but still existent. It's what keeps me waking up in the morning and not throwing away my life in drugs, suicide, etc., things I used to consider.
It's just frustrating I am practically forced to go somewhere I don't like (school), where teachers and students alike despise me, where I learn zip (I've even stopped pretending to pay attention in class and instead write poems), when I could surely be doing something more useful. I've already wasted nine years of my life there, and what do I have to show for it? A fifty year-old's back from lugging around textbooks, few friends, and the horrors I keep finding as I wake up from my delusions.
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First off welcome Enigma with whatever you're doing right now, as for me It's torturous to be seeing outside and nature when I'm stuck in a classroom forced to study. Also Wisconsin, is it like a rural state or something?

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(05-04-2015 12:46 AM)MurkScribe Wrote:  First off welcome Enigma with whatever you're doing right now, as for me It's torturous to be seeing outside and nature when I'm stuck in a classroom forced to study. Also Wisconsin, is it like a rural state or something?
Well, I'm currently inside with awful allergies (I can't even speak), but otherwise I'd be outside. Wisconsin is not completely rural, we've got big cities like Milwaukee, however, a good chunk is farmland and I happen to live in an area with a very low population (maybe 5-10 families per square mile). So naturally, I love the outdoors, nature, and animals. Classrooms are so awful in that way. Most of our classrooms do not even have windows to look out. Occasionally for jazz band we do play outside, which is nice.
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Welcome, TheEnigma!

"S" reminds me of the various movie directors that got persecuted during the 1950s for allegedly holding pro-communist beliefs. While I'm not going to make a direct comparison to 1950s America to modern day high school, the fact that people feel it's dangerous to think something that could be highly antagonistic to the so-called "right thing" is rather chilling.

It's good that he actually taught you a worthwhile lesson in free speech and having an opinion.

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Welcome to the forums! You're obviously not alone in hating school and not finding it a good place to learn.

With talking to your parents about homeschooling, it can help to learn about the range of ways learning can work beyond school, and work to educate your parents about them. I'm working with lisafromjackson on an alternative called Catalyst Learning Network, that provides a way to combine opting out of school (homeschooling) with interest-based, life-relevant learning with a network of other learners and mentors. This means designing your own plan for learning and experiencing life, with help from others... and contrary to the idea that homeschooling is a way to have it easy, you could actually do a lot more challenging work (in a way that you find meaningful.)

How much have you read and watched about alternative education and questioning school? There are all kinds of talks, articles, and books... I'm working on a list here (gdoc link) -- there's lots more to add, but that's a start... any feedback is welcome.

Also, have you looked into virtual high school, or talked to your parents about it? The problem is that it's still like school with typical classes and grades, but at least you don't have to go to school in person. It could be one thing to discuss as part of the larger conversation about options.

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(05-03-2015 11:20 PM)TheEnigma Wrote:  Hello, I'm new to the forums here. I've been wandering around this site when I don't have homework (which isn't often) for about a month. I live on a small farm in SE Wisconsin, USA, in case anyone's curious. I'm a freshman at the nearby public high school, which is so small it actually has to combine two towns' students to get classes of about 85.
I used to really like school. My life was about 99% school, 0.9% video games, and 0.1% other things. I got extremely mad at people who said they didn't like school. In seventh, that started to loosen up a bit. I started to realize that I didn't really learn anything in school, and that was the one reason I liked it. I realized that I could be doing more interesting things than staring at stupid teachers who had no idea about what they were saying.
In eighth grade, there was a 'new kid' who I'll call S. Well, S was way too different for the people in our small, extremely Christian neighbourhood to tolerate (he was undecided religiously. I happen to think I will convert when I am 18). So, S was very hated by everyone, except for me and a few other kids. He very much disliked school. In class, he wasn't exactly disruptive, but was still constantly yelled at. He would wander around the classroom, sit in the back, and do anything but pay attention. S was also beat by his stepfather, who his mother has since divorced. He was very kind and considerate. However he and his mother since moved.
S inspired me to stand up for myself and say to my mother one day this year, "I hate school. Can't you just homeschool me or something?" Yeah, well, my father laughed, and my mother thinks I want to homeschool only because the curriculum is too easy, and she is embarrassed with the idea. She says she will look into it, but whenever I bring up the idea in public, even around people we don't know, she tells me to be quiet.
I feel that forced schools with a one-size-fits-all curriculum is just bad. But because I question the significance of Jesus Christ and their Christian ideas, I am shunned. I have about two friends, and whenever I go on a rant about religious intolerance or how much school is awful, they are embarrassed to be seen near me. They will just tolerate it, or say they would rather go to some other public school. They are afraid, the whole school is afraid, of doing anything rebellious or abnormal. When we had a test on evolution, me and one other girl (who never struck me as very religious) wrote on our tests that we couldn't write any of that. Just two people in a town where I am criticised for my beliefs and not just ignored. The fact that people won't even try to stand up for what they believe in sickens me. While I can tolerate the prejudice, being brainwashed conformists just sickens me.
Okay, I'm done ranting now, but I had to get it out since nobody listens to me. I'm actually not big on complaining, but it is ridiculous.
I love to write, read, play drums, and sing. I also write music occasionally. I am learning German (my grandfather was born in German during WWII, my grandmother was born in the German-speaking part of Switzerland, and my father speaks a reasonable amount). I happen to be strangely obsessed with chickens (used to have more than 100). I also like other small to medium sized farm animals (think cats to emus, not cows). I am by no means a vegetarian, but I will not eat pork. I love natural things, but I am not a 'humans are evil' type of a person. I used to play tons of video games, but not so much any more. I love black coffee, and I can't stand that my mother puts in so much cream that her 'coffee' is pure white. I plan on staying on this website and contributing for a while. I enjoy helping people who need it. I do quite a bit of community service and try to donate a bit to every charity I pass.
Anything else you guys want to know?
Herzlich Willkommen
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(05-07-2015 08:35 PM)xcriteria Wrote:  Welcome to the forums! You're obviously not alone in hating school and not finding it a good place to learn.

With talking to your parents about homeschooling, it can help to learn about the range of ways learning can work beyond school, and work to educate your parents about them. I'm working with lisafromjackson on an alternative called Catalyst Learning Network, that provides a way to combine opting out of school (homeschooling) with interest-based, life-relevant learning with a network of other learners and mentors. This means designing your own plan for learning and experiencing life, with help from others... and contrary to the idea that homeschooling is a way to have it easy, you could actually do a lot more challenging work (in a way that you find meaningful.)

How much have you read and watched about alternative education and questioning school? There are all kinds of talks, articles, and books... I'm working on a list here (gdoc link) -- there's lots more to add, but that's a start... any feedback is welcome.

Also, have you looked into virtual high school, or talked to your parents about it? The problem is that it's still like school with typical classes and grades, but at least you don't have to go to school in person. It could be one thing to discuss as part of the larger conversation about options.
I've done a bit of research over the past year, but I'm usually so busy with my 8-school-hours worth of homework (my parents wouldn't let me have a study hall), so not nearly as much as I could have done. I'll try finding some of them again and post a list somewhere.
I feel that while virtual school would solve some of my problems, it wouldn't solve all of them, and I am by no means a very 'techy' person. I take an online German course and while I've figured most of the tech stuff out, I feel that it might just be a bit more bearable.
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(05-07-2015 08:35 PM)xcriteria Wrote:  Welcome to the forums! You're obviously not alone in hating school and not finding it a good place to learn.

With talking to your parents about homeschooling, it can help to learn about the range of ways learning can work beyond school, and work to educate your parents about them. I'm working with lisafromjackson on an alternative called Catalyst Learning Network, that provides a way to combine opting out of school (homeschooling) with interest-based, life-relevant learning with a network of other learners and mentors. This means designing your own plan for learning and experiencing life, with help from others... and contrary to the idea that homeschooling is a way to have it easy, you could actually do a lot more challenging work (in a way that you find meaningful.)

How much have you read and watched about alternative education and questioning school? There are all kinds of talks, articles, and books... I'm working on a list here (gdoc link) -- there's lots more to add, but that's a start... any feedback is welcome.

Also, have you looked into virtual high school, or talked to your parents about it? The problem is that it's still like school with typical classes and grades, but at least you don't have to go to school in person. It could be one thing to discuss as part of the larger conversation about options.
I've done a bit of research over the past year, but I'm usually so busy with my 8-school-hours worth of homework (my parents wouldn't let me have a study hall), so not nearly as much as I could have done. I'll try finding some of them again and post a list somewhere.
I feel that while virtual school would solve some of my problems, it wouldn't solve all of them, and I am by no means a very 'techy' person. I take an online German course and while I've figured most of the tech stuff out, I feel that it might just be a bit more bearable.
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(05-08-2015 07:52 AM)Chanku Wrote:  Hallo TheEnigma! Wie geht es dir?

Yes, I know a little bit of German, (I take German I at my school) Razz.

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Es geht so. Ich muss zur schule gehen. Es macht mich traurig.
(It goes so (English proper: fine). I must go to school. It makes me sad).

(05-08-2015 08:26 AM)Ilija.m Wrote:  
(05-03-2015 11:20 PM)TheEnigma Wrote:  Hello, I'm new to the forums here. I've been wandering around this site when I don't have homework (which isn't often) for about a month. I live on a small farm in SE Wisconsin, USA, in case anyone's curious. I'm a freshman at the nearby public high school, which is so small it actually has to combine two towns' students to get classes of about 85.
I used to really like school. My life was about 99% school, 0.9% video games, and 0.1% other things. I got extremely mad at people who said they didn't like school. In seventh, that started to loosen up a bit. I started to realize that I didn't really learn anything in school, and that was the one reason I liked it. I realized that I could be doing more interesting things than staring at stupid teachers who had no idea about what they were saying.
In eighth grade, there was a 'new kid' who I'll call S. Well, S was way too different for the people in our small, extremely Christian neighbourhood to tolerate (he was undecided religiously. I happen to think I will convert when I am 18). So, S was very hated by everyone, except for me and a few other kids. He very much disliked school. In class, he wasn't exactly disruptive, but was still constantly yelled at. He would wander around the classroom, sit in the back, and do anything but pay attention. S was also beat by his stepfather, who his mother has since divorced. He was very kind and considerate. However he and his mother since moved.
S inspired me to stand up for myself and say to my mother one day this year, "I hate school. Can't you just homeschool me or something?" Yeah, well, my father laughed, and my mother thinks I want to homeschool only because the curriculum is too easy, and she is embarrassed with the idea. She says she will look into it, but whenever I bring up the idea in public, even around people we don't know, she tells me to be quiet.
I feel that forced schools with a one-size-fits-all curriculum is just bad. But because I question the significance of Jesus Christ and their Christian ideas, I am shunned. I have about two friends, and whenever I go on a rant about religious intolerance or how much school is awful, they are embarrassed to be seen near me. They will just tolerate it, or say they would rather go to some other public school. They are afraid, the whole school is afraid, of doing anything rebellious or abnormal. When we had a test on evolution, me and one other girl (who never struck me as very religious) wrote on our tests that we couldn't write any of that. Just two people in a town where I am criticised for my beliefs and not just ignored. The fact that people won't even try to stand up for what they believe in sickens me. While I can tolerate the prejudice, being brainwashed conformists just sickens me.
Okay, I'm done ranting now, but I had to get it out since nobody listens to me. I'm actually not big on complaining, but it is ridiculous.
I love to write, read, play drums, and sing. I also write music occasionally. I am learning German (my grandfather was born in German during WWII, my grandmother was born in the German-speaking part of Switzerland, and my father speaks a reasonable amount). I happen to be strangely obsessed with chickens (used to have more than 100). I also like other small to medium sized farm animals (think cats to emus, not cows). I am by no means a vegetarian, but I will not eat pork. I love natural things, but I am not a 'humans are evil' type of a person. I used to play tons of video games, but not so much any more. I love black coffee, and I can't stand that my mother puts in so much cream that her 'coffee' is pure white. I plan on staying on this website and contributing for a while. I enjoy helping people who need it. I do quite a bit of community service and try to donate a bit to every charity I pass.
Anything else you guys want to know?
Herzlich Willkommen
Danke!
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(05-04-2015 02:24 AM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  Welcome, TheEnigma!

"S" reminds me of the various movie directors that got persecuted during the 1950s for allegedly holding pro-communist beliefs. While I'm not going to make a direct comparison to 1950s America to modern day high school, the fact that people feel it's dangerous to think something that could be highly antagonistic to the so-called "right thing" is rather chilling.

It's good that he actually taught you a worthwhile lesson in free speech and having an opinion.
I feel we need more "S"s in this world.
And I will agree with you about the Red Scare thing. Anything abnormal is generally viewed as wrong and a potential threat (abnormal happens to be my middle name). Sometimes, it is, and sometimes it isn't, and people just gotta use their brains or we'll all die in a zombie apocalypse.Smile
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