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status quo keepers - sqk's

this is a term i have used for a while

the other day i posted something from my talks with darko from serbia. then later i wrote that i didnt feel very undestood.

i will explain more why...

what darko was saying wasnt about serbia

i feel very frustrated that pple focused on that. and missed the main points

so what were the main points?

one was that he was hoping he would find more "avant garde" people when he got to uuni

he didnt

and i dont believe u will either no matter which mafia zone you live in. ie which "country"

yes, i equate countries with the mafia system.

for example, in either system if u dont obey, they hurt you. and when u move from one zone to another, ie cross "borders" then another group treats u the same way - obey or suffer.

anyhow, what darko was saying was not just about fascists - pple missed that too.

it is about what i call the status quo keepers

high schools are filled with them.... and so are universities

for now i will define the status quo as

- people who believe it is ok to punish ie hurt others when they dont obey

- people who do not believe in listening to those same disobedient people

- people who more or less support the current concept of "justice" -- ie laws, punishment, judges, lawyers etc

- people who support compulsory education

i suspect that a majority, probably a high majority, of uni professors and the admin staff who work there, as well as the management, faculty chairmen e and university presidents and boards of directors and alumni would vote to keep compulsory schools.

i suspect they would also vote to support forced taxes.

and i suspect they would vote to keep the present laws that say a teenager cannot choose where they live. ie the "runaway" laws.

and i suspect that most would vote to put sensitive non-conforming teens and children on drugs.

so if u want to know whether someone is a sqk ask them how they would vote on those things

btw i also think most would say they supported the decision to kill osama bin laden rather than have a trial.

and most would probably even support the use of drones to kill people, again without a trial.
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Most colleges, at least in US, are known to be liberal hotspots.

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(02-13-2015 03:54 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Most colleges, at least in US, are known to be liberal hotspots.

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Quote:Most colleges, at least in US, are known to be liberal hotspots.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm, Is 4-year traditional college considered liberal?

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(02-14-2015 11:06 AM)MurkScribe Wrote:  
Quote:Most colleges, at least in US, are known to be liberal hotspots.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm, Is 4-year traditional college considered liberal?

He meant a lot of people who are liberals (as in politically) are in colleges.
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(02-14-2015 11:06 AM)MurkScribe Wrote:  
Quote:Most colleges, at least in US, are known to be liberal hotspots.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm, Is 4-year traditional college considered liberal?

He meant a lot of people who are liberals (as in politically) are in colleges.

Note that by liberal I am obviously not speaking of the actual definition, similar to how Republicans in America DO NOT espouse the actual idea of republicanism. This is US-centric.

Thus "liberals" often means those who claim to hold leftist ideas but their core belief is being anti-right no matter what. Feminism, affirmative action, homosexuals ideas are all heavily emphasized and any counter is demonized. Even if it's not aggressive or rude, such ideas will create a tremor in the campus.

Hell, I had first-hand experience. There was this event going on that showed skits of "discrimination". My political theory class however was pretty realist when it came to these stuff. The skits were based off of real occurrences too.

Our group was the only one criticizing all the circle-jerkers agreeing that anything negative done to a black person was instantly racism, that people should be punished for exercising freedom of speech(aka jerks and inconsiderate people should be punished). Stuff like that.

I doubt our group will ever be invited to such an event ever... Razz

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(02-14-2015 11:06 AM)MurkScribe Wrote:  
Quote:Most colleges, at least in US, are known to be liberal hotspots.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm, Is 4-year traditional college considered liberal?

He taking about right/left politics. American colleges have a bad rep for being ultra-left wing circlejerks

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Hard to find some good nationalists. I've defined it as:
Patriots=people who support the government
Nationalist=people who support the nation

Difference being that the nation of America is meant to espouse ideals of democracy, liberty, and republicanism. The government on the other hand espouses corporatism, partisanship, and hypocrisy.

Thus a nationalist is one who believes the government is his representative while a patriot believes the government is his master.

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Interesting stevenhein...

Are you aware that in a lot of American public high schools, we have so-called "leadership" programs? Basically, these are programs in which students (typically neurotypical, extroverted, "the typical teen") are given false senses of some kind of leadership. Basically, they put on uniforms, and they're indoctrinated... it's really weird to think about it. The implications are pretty damn appalling.

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Is that the JROTC or a whole other thing?

The HS in my city seems to have an extensive JROTC program. If you watch the main street where HS walk after school ends, you'll see lots of students in those battle fatigues(jumpsuity camoflauge clothing with the hat).

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Actually, no, it has nothing to do with JROTC as far as I know (it has more to do with a so-called "Social Justice Academy", AKA a false theoretical "liberal" ideology that you brought up). Nonetheless the military is pretty active in my school so...

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First time I'm hearing about this social leadership thing that even includes uniforms. A bit disturbing...

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(02-15-2015 07:49 AM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  Actually, no, it has nothing to do with JROTC as far as I know (it has more to do with a so-called "Social Justice Academy", AKA a false theoretical "liberal" ideology that you brought up). Nonetheless the military is pretty active in my school so...

They should call themselves the Social Justice Warriors.
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LOL. Pretty much. For Pete's sake, I consider myself slightly left wing but I definitely don't agree with SJW's (although the people that use that term aren't exactly the greatest, either; sigh).

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Same. I actually don't use the term myself, I just used it because I saw the opportunity.
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Was really interested in the original posts notion of taxes. I feel in my guts that taxes shouldn't exist as they do (forced, always screw the poor since the rich always know how to evade them and affect their legislation, etc). But I didn't think of many other ways. Can the original poster enlighten me of other possible methods? Can anyone else?
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I support taxation. Just believe there should be major overhauls and stuff.

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What specific major overhauls you speak of?
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Fixing loopholes, no tax cuts like crazy for wealthy and corporations etc.

All that corrupt stuff.

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(02-17-2015 09:21 AM)Ami Wrote:  Was really interested in the original posts notion of taxes. I feel in my guts that taxes shouldn't exist as they do (forced, always screw the poor since the rich always know how to evade them and affect their legislation, etc). But I didn't think of many other ways. Can the original poster enlighten me of other possible methods? Can anyone else?
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Thanks, interesting read. Not quite done yet but doesn't seem to address capitalism's destruction of resources
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Ugh, Liberals and Conservatives are the same, same with the DemoKKKrats and RepubliKKKans. I'll tell you why:
  • They both advocate HUGE spending on the military.
  • They both advocate imperialism.
  • They both support the current education system.
  • They both support the status quo.
  • They both are funded by corporations.
The list goes on and on. We need to start propagating non-mainstream parties especially ones that are against imperialism and the status-quo like the Libertarian party for example. I recommend we hand out fliers, tape fliers, pass out fliers to random houses, etc for any non-mainstream. I have done all 3 before in the past and never got caught. You can PM me the fliers when you get done with them.

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Ugh, Liberals and Conservatives are the same, same with the DemoKKKrats and RepubliKKKans. I'll tell you why:
They both advocate HUGE spending on the military.
They both advocate imperialism.
They both support the current education system.
They both support the status quo.
They both are funded by corporations.
The list goes on and on. We need to start propagating non-mainstream parties especially ones that are against imperialism and the status-quo like the Libertarian party for example. I recommend we hand out fliers, tape fliers, pass out fliers to random houses, etc for any non-mainstream. I have done all 3 before in the past and never got caught. You can PM me the fliers when you get done with them.

Well there's like a 5 percent difference, Also Bernie Sanders will most likely be the Ron Paul of the 2012 election, his ideas are just to beyond the current business compass, but even then the Scandinavian countries is like a cage, but a bigger cage than were in right now. How about we destroy and do away with the cage?

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(05-08-2015 11:08 AM)MurkScribe Wrote:  Post: #22status quo keepers - sqk's
Ugh, Liberals and Conservatives are the same, same with the DemoKKKrats and RepubliKKKans. I'll tell you why:
They both advocate HUGE spending on the military.
They both advocate imperialism.
They both support the current education system.
They both support the status quo.
They both are funded by corporations.
The list goes on and on. We need to start propagating non-mainstream parties especially ones that are against imperialism and the status-quo like the Libertarian party for example. I recommend we hand out fliers, tape fliers, pass out fliers to random houses, etc for any non-mainstream. I have done all 3 before in the past and never got caught. You can PM me the fliers when you get done with them.

Well there's like a 5 percent difference, Also Bernie Sanders will most likely be the Ron Paul of the 2012 election, his ideas are just to beyond the current business compass, but even then the Scandinavian countries is like a cage, but a bigger cage than were in right now. How about we destroy and do away with the cage?

Still, we shouldn't vote for either party, and we should try to propagate parties like the Libertarian party. That's like saying that there's a 5% difference with the Soviet Union than there is with Nazi Germany, but should we still support them? No. Bernie Saunders previously was not part of the DemoKKKrat party, same with Ron Paul not previously being part of the RepubliKKKan party.

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Libertarian party is a joke. America's liberties are not as excessively threatened as they make out. All they want is a business paradise that takes the regulating balance of govt out of the question for a capitalist utopia. To make it look so big, they appeal to pot heads and angsty anti-establishment teens who want to "stick it to the man" and enjoy the utopian ideas of Ayn Rand.

FFS th guy they blabber on about(Freidman), despite what he said, quite obviously practiced economics in a not-so-libertarian fashion. Libertarianism is all hype. Like the crazy anti-establishment folk of the 70s, only difference being libertarians make corporations happy with all their anti-regulation talk.

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(05-09-2015 11:44 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Libertarian party is a joke. America's liberties are not as excessively threatened as they make out. All they want is a business paradise that takes the regulating balance of govt out of the question for a capitalist utopia. To make it look so big, they appeal to pot heads and angsty anti-establishment teens who want to "stick it to the man" and enjoy the utopian ideas of Ayn Rand.

FFS th guy they blabber on about(Freidman), despite what he said, quite obviously practiced economics in a not-so-libertarian fashion. Libertarianism is all hype. Like the crazy anti-establishment folk of the 70s, only difference being libertarians make corporations happy with all their anti-regulation talk.

To be honest, I'd prefer the Libertarian party any day over the Liberals/DemoKKKrat and Conservatives/RepubliKKKan parties. As much as I don't support Capitalism, let alone their version of Capitalism, at least they are strongly anti-imperialist, are for civil liberties, and advocate for privacy.

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RE: status quo keepers - sqk's

Thats why I register independent. And vote by merit of person, not party.

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(06-14-2013 08:02 AM)Potato Wrote:  watch the fuq out, we've got an "intellectual" over here.

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status quo keepers - sqk's

Eh I just don't vote for anyone, vote or not vote doesn't matter to me at all, when I all I care about is living my life in peace and solitude, this system I'm living under is repressive and can't accommodate human needs. The bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki was unjustifiable and one of the greatest act of terrorism and death towards the japanese, we took them down, because there can only be one large capitalist system that exploits and destroys. America is greatest threat to humanity's own well being and happiness.

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IMO Japan deserved to get nuked.

A)they were batshit fanatical and under a hardcore ultra-nationalist militaristic imperialist leadership
B)so effectively brainwashed their people with propaganda that civilians would commit suicide when they saw American soldiers
C)rarely surrendered, and often fought hard for every inch

If the US was going to win the war, and win it soon(because democratic nations don't have the luxury of sustaining years of war without political backlash), they'd either have to invade(and suffer massive casualties on both sides) or use a new piece of technology they never really understand till they actually used it...twice.

Like I always argue...stop judging the past through the modern lens. Nukes are bad today cause we've studied heavily into them. Back then, they barely knew much about the effects of radiation(evident since both the USSR and US had plans to use nukes for civilian purposes like creating canals and lakes. Obviously when they learned just how bad radiation was the US canceled it's plans quite quickly. USSR continued a little longer because obviously being more a totalitarian "communist" military state, they didn't have to worry much about some soviet republic getting a little radiated).

And we didn't bomb japan because the US wanted to become the "one large capitalist system that exploits and destroys".

If you were a soldier and the options were "Go fight and probably die" and "Don't fight because we'll just bomb em", you'd probably choose option 2. And no need to reminiscence on whether you'd become a soldier in WW2 because men who didn't go generally suffered from some degree of guilt or shame.

Humans are social animals. In times when a collective contributes to a struggle, those who abstain are not generally very welcome by said society because they're viewed as being parasites who benefit from the society but refuse to give in. Even men who didn't get to become soldiers generally ended up alleviating the situation a bit by working in the factories that built the weapons and ammo.

I have a feeling many of whom argue "I wan to live according to my own" and prefer to counter society with this whole nonsense of individualistic worship may likely have suffered from some sort of social shunning in their formative years and thus developed a psychology revolving around "Me first. Me always" in response to being an outcast.

If you want to live out of society, than that's your choice. Nobody forced you out and most people will respect that. But then why do you choose to turn around and criticize the society you left? Especially when viewing society as a rigid collective is ignorant because of naturally we're all individuals, and individuals mean that even in a "rotten" society, there are many who aren't individually contributors or supporters of such a society.

In which case you'd just be demonizing EVERYONE, and thus become just as bad as the society you're criticizing for being selfish, evil, and repressive.

Live alone, Thrive together.

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(06-14-2013 08:02 AM)Potato Wrote:  watch the fuq out, we've got an "intellectual" over here.

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