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To everyone who joined these forums at some point, and got discouraged by the negativity and left after a while (or even got literally scared off): I'm sorry.
I wasn't good enough at encouraging people to be kinder, and removing people who refuse to be kind. Encouraging people is hard, and removing people creates conflict, and I hate conflict... so that's why I wasn't better at it.
I was a very, very sensitive teen. The atmosphere of this forum as it is now, if it had existed in 1996, would probably have upset me far more than it would have helped.
I can handle quite a lot of negativity and even abuse now, but that isn't the point. I want to help people. I want to help the people who need it the most, and I want to help people like the 1996 version of me.
I'm still figuring out the best way to do that, but as it is now, these forums are doing more harm than good, and I can't keep running them.
Thank you to the few people who have tried to understand my point of view so far. I really, really appreciate you guys. You are beautiful people.
Everyone else: If after everything I've said so far, you still don't understand my motivations, I think it's unlikely that you will. We're just too different. Maybe someday in the future it might make sense, but until then, there's no point in arguing about it. I don't have the time or the energy for arguing anymore. I will focus my time and energy on people who support me, and those who need help.
-SoulRiser
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I'm going to waste it neither healthily nor pleasantly because I shouldn't exist.
Hello, traveler.
This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.
Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"
Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.
People are allowed to change their views.
Nevertheless, this period of my life has informed some of how I am today. In good ways and bad ways. To purge it would be to do a disservice to history. Perhaps it will not make anyone sympathetic, but it may help someone understand.
If, after reading all this, you still decide to use the post above as evidence that I am evil today, ask yourself if you have never disagreed with the moral code you now follow. In all likelihood you did, at some point. If some questions are verboten, and the answer is "how dare you ask that," don't expect your ideological opponents to ever change their minds.
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If the gratification denial is stuff like not drinking in excess, not eating too much chocolate/pizza/salty stuff, and not driving like a suicidal twerp, then I'll gladly do it. If it's something stupid or excessive like dying at the moment I touch a dick...fuck it. Like xc said, finding a reasonable (will differ from person to person) balance is the key.
Don't play chess with pigeons-they'll just knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut about like they won anyway.
-the Internet
Quote:May the days and months of flowing bitterness be rewarded...
To forget!?
School (implicitly) tells you to ignore if not disable at emotion system in order to survive, but don't do it. It's a lie. Do things that aren't fun and you'll die even quicker.
(This post was last modified: 02-14-2015 02:59 AM by sswbm.)
Vonunov, the main problem I see with this poll is that these options seem like a dichotomy, but in reality, they're quite subjective.
Like, what does it mean to "preserve a life painstakingly"? Eat, sleep, and work? And what does "pleasure" mean, either? Does it mean having sex with everyone you see, or does it mean giving a homeless man 50 dollars?
Yes, subjective, especially the pleasure option. Maybe not so much the painstaking preservation option. In that case you know objectively what to do. Avoid certain unhealthy but pleasant foods. Avoid certain fun but risky actions. Exercise. Who likes exercise when they hadn't been doing it before? But then it becomes enjoyable. What about the rest? It does too, yeah? I've heard so.
As for focusing on immediate pleasure, what exactly that is would be up to you. Maybe it even aligns perfectly with the set of actions that would prolong your life to the greatest extent possible.
But, yes, a false dichotomy. 1) Set aside enjoyment to do whatever's necessary to stay alive because you won't live awfully long altogether. 2) Pack as much enjoyment into your life as you can for the same reason.
It's cool to see what ways you come up with to find a compromise. I think I skewed it by making the first option sound rather dismal, though.
On your first point, it turns out that the "painstaking" option of eating healthier has actually been pretty beneficial, and in turn has turned into a pleasure. So now you have these 2 options actually overlapping. Huh.
On a somewhat related note, gluten free, freshly baked doughnuts (speaking of which, tonight I actually made my own French fries, hooray!)
I read the first option as "I would deny myself gratification if otherwise it meant to harm another."
If this was the case, I'd have to agree. Within reason.
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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
Quote:preserve not my life, but my legacy, by doing the one thing that matters:
Bringing other people pleasure to improve their similarly short lifespans.
-DoA
What about when those people die and no longer care whether they were brought pleasure or misery? Why do their temporary states accrue meaning where your own cannot?
What about when everyone dies and no one exists to remember who received or dispensed pleasure? How then will your legacy persist?
(This post was last modified: 03-25-2015 10:37 AM by Aureate.)
Quote:preserve not my life, but my legacy, by doing the one thing that matters:
Bringing other people pleasure to improve their similarly short lifespans.
-DoA
What about when those people die and no longer care whether they were brought pleasure or misery? Why do their temporary states accrue meaning where your own cannot?
What about when everyone dies and no one exists to remember who received or dispensed pleasure? How then will your legacy persist?
Temporary though it may be, kindness has a ripple effect. So does its opposite.
People often inflict misery because it has been inflicted upon them - it is often said that demanding an eye for an eye will result in a blind world. But we have a choice to end the cycle of abuse and begin a cycle of benevolence.
Even the most simple actions can make someone's day - kindness is essentially a superpower in this regard. So when you are nice to someone, you'll be leading by example, and when someone does something for you, you'll feel compelled to pay it back somehow... or better yet, pay it forward.
We can leave a mark on our world long after we are gone by giving, but by taking, we only lose in the end.
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Quote:preserve not my life, but my legacy, by doing the one thing that matters:
Bringing other people pleasure to improve their similarly short lifespans.
-DoA
What about when those people die and no longer care whether they were brought pleasure or misery? Why do their temporary states accrue meaning where your own cannot?
What about when everyone dies and no one exists to remember who received or dispensed pleasure? How then will your legacy persist?
Temporary though it may be, kindness has a ripple effect. So does its opposite.
People often inflict misery because it has been inflicted upon them - it is often said that demanding an eye for an eye will result in a blind world. But we have a choice to end the cycle of abuse and begin a cycle of benevolence.
Even the most simple actions can make someone's day - kindness is essentially a superpower in this regard. So when you are nice to someone, you'll be leading by example, and when someone does something for you, you'll feel compelled to pay it back somehow... or better yet, pay it forward.
We can leave a mark on our world long after we are gone by giving, but by taking, we only lose in the end.
I think the "eye for an eye make world blind" is nonsense. How many times do you go about your day stabbing people in the eyes? The basis of such a law, known as lex talionis, was intended to prevent overkill when a victim or victim's family sought vengeance, as well as determine that he who commits a crime would in turn suffer a punishment of the same degree. A murderer would be killed for instance.
Meaning saying "Eye for an eye would make the world blind" implies that humans are, in fact, monsters.
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