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When I was in my early teenage years I was told by a psychiatrist that I "probably have aspergers" but neither him nor my family pursued a diagnosis. As a child I would shake my hands compulsively when I got excited and it took a long time for my family to make me understand that this was something that people would view as being odd. Social ineptitude has marred my entire life and I still can't quite figure out how this whole socialization thing works. Being viewed as awkward has caused me to come in to social situations with a feeling of anxiety. If I have some social momentum then the anxiety may be lessened, but in times where I haven't been exercising my social skills I get locked in to this awful anxiety loop where it's impossible for me to even try to talk to new people.
Ignore the troll. His replies are not even worth a response. For them to be worthy of responding to he would need to provide at least some inkling of evidence that is contrary to what is currently commonly accepted in the scientific community. To me, it seems like he's just trying to rile up people who are autistic by saying their condition doesn't exist. Gutter scum like that really isn't worth the time of day.
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(This post was last modified: 02-14-2015 09:38 AM by Sunbourn.)
I guess me being schizoid isn't a thing. I must've been told i am because i have behaviors and thought patterns that differ from the majority of the population.. oh shit, wait, that's called a disorder! Gee, it must be real after all.
I don't get what the purpose of that would be; making up a disorder for undesirable personality types and actions for.. what? Making them feel excluded and thus causing them to shy away from society so those undesirable traits don't have to be dealt with? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that they do that by themselves without a diagnosis, so making up a disorder based entirely on these undesirable traits is both a massive waste of time and pointless as hell.
Medical science isn't some kind of conspiracy designed to keep you down or whatever it is you're on about. You haven't even given a reason for why this would be done, you just keep repeating that it doesn't exist, contradicting all accepted medical science, and providing fuck all for evidence. Just go away somewhere.
(02-15-2015 04:39 AM)Sharpie Wrote: I don't get what the purpose of that would be; making up a disorder for undesirable personality types and actions for.. what?
For having an excuse to feed them substances that alter them to be more easily schoolable. ("medicine to cure their disease").
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That'd mean that the entire scientific community and educational community are involved in a massive, decades long conspiracy. If you're going to insist on this as being true, you need evidence, which you haven't provided. Your opinion isn't evidence.
This seems pretty hard, sure-fire evidence that autism exists. The fact that there are consistent brain patterns and wirings, and a mountainload of other evidence, shows that indeed, autism is very much real, and not some kind of conspiracy.
What is a conspiracy though is the blatant attempt by the educational system to marginalize and "treat" autistic kids, and try to turn them into something they are not: neurotypical. I'm not going to go on into that territory, but here's a good article about it: http://autismwomensnetwork.org/my-thoughts-on-aba/
No s***. Of course someone who behaves a lot differently is wired differently.
Again, no proof that that behavior is caused by a defect at all.
Anyway, it seems you are seeing autism as some sort of innocent label, that started being abused by schools. I don't believe that, what legitimate case would that label be for?
No s***. Of course someone who behaves a lot differently is wired differently.
Again, no proof that that behavior is caused by a defect at all.
Anyway, it seems you are seeing autism as some sort of innocent label, that started being abused by schools. I don't believe that, what legitimate case would that label be for?
Except for the fact that autism isn't a defect, it's an evolutionary trait left over from long ago that evolved to helps us survive;
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Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" - Donald Rumsfeld
For anyone who remembers me going on an archive binge: Thank you all. I know I ended it being a drama queen, I don't really agree with the ideology anymore, and I'm really not the same person I was (I went through a neopagan phase!) but still this site was the first online community I was in. I graduated from school and turned 18. Time flies. KFC Nyan Cat, June 20, 2019.
It gives a lot of credence though as to the existence of autism itself, perhaps stemming from the natural divergence of humanity, and it can't be reversed. Definitely music to my ears compared to all the curebies and the "epidemic".
Wow, I didn't realize you were that stupid. Here's the linked supported sources from the articles because you're too stupid and/or lazy to get them yourself:
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Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
All hail Jop, the bulletproof vest wearing autism denying idiot.
That sounds like a decent idea for a short-lived comic strip, I must flesh out this thought further.
(This post was last modified: 02-16-2015 04:11 AM by Username.)
If all the MRI tests and scientific documentation doesn't prove anything then you might as well go back to living in the stone age and worshipping the sun, Jop.
Hidden stuff:
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Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
(02-16-2015 04:11 AM)Username Wrote: All hail Jop, the bulletproof vest wearing autism denying idiot.
All hail Username, who criticizes everything without any sort of elaboration.
(02-16-2015 04:13 AM)Sociopath Wrote: If all the MRI tests
(02-13-2015 02:12 AM)Jop Wrote: An MRI scan allows you to really roughly see how a human mind is organized, so of course an MRI scan reflects a human's behaviour. Doesn't prove that the behaviours they dislike are caused by a defect [...or a non-negative distortion, or whatever] at all.
(02-16-2015 04:13 AM)Sociopath Wrote: and scientific documentation
(02-15-2015 02:00 PM)KFC Nyan Cat Wrote: Those are theories. Scientifically-supported theories, but still theories.
Again the MRIs show differences in brain anatomy and thought patterns beteen autistics and non-autistics.
But I guess you don't believe in science and you think depression, schizophrenia, and ASPD are big eeevil conspiracies too huh? There's a reason we've allowed people who know what they're talking about to study these phenomenon, they're called psychologists, psychiatrists, and doctors. And they have more insight to what to say than some self-hating self-proclaimed autistic whose only reason for disbelief is due to social stigma.
Hidden stuff:
TRIGGER WARNING: THIS TRIGGER WARNING CONTAINS TRIGGER WARNINGS!
Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
(02-16-2015 04:11 AM)Username Wrote: All hail Jop, the bulletproof vest wearing autism denying idiot.
All hail Username, who criticizes everything without any sort of elaboration.
(02-16-2015 04:13 AM)Sociopath Wrote: If all the MRI tests
(02-13-2015 02:12 AM)Jop Wrote: An MRI scan allows you to really roughly see how a human mind is organized, so of course an MRI scan reflects a human's behaviour. Doesn't prove that the behaviours they dislike are caused by a defect [...or a non-negative distortion, or whatever] at all.
(02-16-2015 04:13 AM)Sociopath Wrote: and scientific documentation
(02-15-2015 02:00 PM)KFC Nyan Cat Wrote: Those are theories. Scientifically-supported theories, but still theories.
[... or hypothesizes, whatever]
We would probably forgive you and not demonize you if you will just admit that you are wrong, but since you absolutely refuse to admit that, people are going to demonize you
(02-16-2015 07:12 AM)Sociopath Wrote: Again the MRIs show differences in brain anatomy and thought patterns beteen autistics and non-autistics.
But I guess you don't believe in science and you think depression, schizophrenia, and ASPD are big eeevil conspiracies too huh? There's a reason we've allowed people who know what they're talking about to study these phenomenon, they're called psychologists, psychiatrists, and doctors. And they have more insight to what to say than some self-hating self-proclaimed autistic whose only reason for disbelief is due to social stigma.
So any human who acts different than a "neurotypical" is non-negatively distorted in some way? Try logically reprocessing that.
And I am not "self-proclaimed autistic", I was send to a psychiatrist and they diagnosed me; Took me 9+ years before I realized it's a lie.
You all do seem to understand that AD(H)D and ODD don't exist. Why do you keep thinking autism is another thing?
(This post was last modified: 02-17-2015 03:03 AM by sswbm.)
02-17-2015 12:57 AM
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I don't think anyone seriously believes that ADHD/ADD are lies. Overdiagnosed definitely, but an actual lie? That's going a bit too far.
The only reason you feel it was a lie was because you were wrongfully discriminated. That's all right because I've been through that to, but literally your only defense is "we act differently and others don't like it"; that's just a really, really bad argument.
Interesting. According to this, I get 28. I probably don't have it though, but I find it interesting how people talk about "tics" and things, because I used to do that a LOT when I was younger... until one day I realized I hate doing it, and it's irritating me, so I stopped...
I don't like calling things like this "diseases" or "disorders" unless calling it that helps someone to feel better about having it or dealing with it (like, being told they have this disorder might make them deal with it better because it explains why they are this way... rather than being told they have this disorder, and then people treat them like idiots or something... so basically, what you call it doesn't really matter as much as how you use the term. If that makes sense?)
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(02-16-2015 07:12 AM)Sociopath Wrote: Again the MRIs show differences in brain anatomy and thought patterns beteen autistics and non-autistics.
But I guess you don't believe in science and you think depression, schizophrenia, and ASPD are big eeevil conspiracies too huh? There's a reason we've allowed people who know what they're talking about to study these phenomenon, they're called psychologists, psychiatrists, and doctors. And they have more insight to what to say than some self-hating self-proclaimed autistic whose only reason for disbelief is due to social stigma.
So any human who acts different than a "neurotypical" is non-negatively distorted in some way? Try logically reprocessing that.
And I am not "self-proclaimed autistic", I was send to a psychiatrist and they diagnosed me; Took me 9+ years before I realized it's a lie.
You all do seem to understand that AD(H)D and ODD don't exist. Why do you keep thinking autism is another thing?
It gives plenty of info about the existence of autism.
Which source will I take seriously? A book about AS written by a credible psychologist who was written plenty of books about autism, or some internet user that probably eats random mushrooms he finds and probably took an article by The Onion seriously?[/i]
@Missile: I'll admit that I'm a bit shady on some psychologists (not the study itself but rather some opinions on Asperger syndrome and autism, stemming from years of ABA), but that book seems very interesting, legitimate, and worth checking out. At the very least, it's a change from "OMGZ VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM!!!!!!!".
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