Living with Disease

[Username]

Is there any point in living if you have a major mental disorder?
Seems pointless (in my opinion) to persist if you happen to have schizophrenia, paranoia, narcissism or any other condition that affects quality of life in such a major way, that there really is no real reason to continue on with it.
Even with treatment, you're still only getting half of what the other mentally healthy neurotypicals are getting out of life, so why bother?

Discuss.

[brainiac3397]

If your mental disorder leaves you incapable of asking or understanding this question, wouldn't it become a whole other issue?

and it might be more logical to keep them in existence till natural death(if you can afford to). Not only are they valuable research subjects, but since we will not know how they will turn out, they could provide for various discoveries.

So basically they are still more valuable living than dead.

[James Comey]

A lot of people actually take a lot of pride when it comes to these issues, surprisingly. I've chatted with a lot of autistic people online who get PISSED if you talk of a "cure". For many, it's what makes them who they are.

[Missile]

(02-08-2015 11:47 AM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  A lot of people actually take a lot of pride when it comes to these issues, surprisingly. I've chatted with a lot of autistic people online who get PISSED if you talk of a "cure". For many, it's what makes them who they are.

Autism is still different than something like Down's syndrome or some of those other disorders.

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I wouldn't consider autism to be a "mental illness"

[James Comey]

I don't exactly consider autism to be an "illness" (and definitely not a "disability" in all senses) either. "Disability" implies someone is unable to do a specific thing, but I don't see what I can't do (other than the bullshit extroversion socialization, and school, not that the latter means much either).

[TheCancer]

"Even with treatment, you're still only getting half of what the other mentally healthy neurotypicals are getting out of life, so why bother?"

I don't judge what my life is worth compared to what others have not do I accept the opinion someone with one of these disorders is necessarily getting "half". It might be half it might be twice. Some people love being insane while others loathe normality. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of beauty that can only be found in the mind of a lunatic.

So no, a strong mental illness diagnosis wouldn't make me wanna off myself. Ö

[isolatedsystem]

Not everyone has to be the same...
There's not much I can say about mental disorders. They have various names for this , for that , for them ...
Actually what caught my attention recently is the fact that I heard that mostly half of the world have concentration deficit disorder (cdd) . Think about it...if computers, smartphones and tv's and that kind of stuff are so active in our lives then why we even question our lack of concentration at something annoying or boring , for example doing school work that don't bring you joy or even the fact that it doesn't interest you? In other hand people who experience strong issues with lack of concentration in ALL activities that they do it is something to question.

Quote:So basically they are still more valuable living than dead.

[Sharpie]

Aside from a few shitty side effects im pretty content with my mental fuckery.

[Dikont5]

(02-08-2015 09:05 AM)Username Wrote:  Is there any point in living if you have a major mental disorder?
Seems pointless (in my opinion) to persist if you happen to have schizophrenia, paranoia, narcissism or any other condition that affects quality of life in such a major way, that there really is no real reason to continue on with it.
Even with treatment, you're still only getting half of what the other mentally healthy neurotypicals are getting out of life, so why bother?

Discuss.

Yeah, saying that there's no point in living if you have a major mental disorder is like telling a person in a wheelchair to kill themselves because they can't walk. They still want to live normal lives,so why should they let their disability take that away from them? I have a lesser form of autism, but I don't let it supposedly "ruin" my life.
Treatment? Hah, the Psychological industry is just trying to make money off of shit that might work for other people, it might not. You seem to view neurodiverse people as getting "half" of their life compared to a neurotypical. But, that is in viewing it in a neurotypical way, in a neurodiverse way, we might be getting 2x the benefits compared to neurotypicals. So, don't automatically judge things based on the way YOU perceive it, as someone else might view it differently.
If you assume that someone should stop living because they're different in a cognitive way, then you're wrong. In a major way could mean many things. Maybe they act the way they do because the environment they grew up in was rough. Maybe they just want to be noticed. Maybe they need emotional support, rather than being called a loser,fag,or bitch, by people who don't understand them.

Sorry about the rant. If I seem to have misunderstood your statement than let me know as that happens sometimes.

[Username]

(02-08-2015 04:11 PM)Dikont5 Wrote:  Yeah, saying that there's no point in living if you have a major mental disorder is like telling a person in a wheelchair to kill themselves because they can't walk. They still want to live normal lives,so why should they let their disability take that away from them? I have a lesser form of autism, but I don't let it supposedly "ruin" my life.

There's a big difference in mental problems and physical deformities. If the legless person has a jolly personality, it doesn't affect him all that much and is just something he has to get used to.
I also don't consider autism to be major mental illness, only a small obstacle, from what I seem to gather anyhow. That is of course, unless the subject is very low-functioning.

Quote:You seem to view neurodiverse people as getting "half" of their life compared to a neurotypical. But, that is in viewing it in a neurotypical way, in a neurodiverse way, we might be getting 2x the benefits compared to neurotypicals. So, don't automatically judge things based on the way YOU perceive it, as someone else might view it differently.
If you assume that someone should stop living because they're different in a cognitive way, then you're wrong.

I'm not assuming: "Hey, you have a debilitating mental condition that is affecting your quality of life, kill yourself!" I mean it as: "Hey, I have a huge mental problem, maybe I should kill myself since it makes my day to day life impossible to handle."
Of course, mental illness may make a genius, but what if the loads of those suffering from these kinds of issues don't have any useful outlet to show their differing way of mind.
Or something of that kind....
lol @ leaving posts unfinished because tired...

[Sharpie]

I'm not quite sure what you're asking..? Your OP is too subjective and can't really be answered by anyone without a mental illness.

[SoulRiser]

Well... you get to experience life from a uniquely different perspective... maybe, if you want, you can tell others what it's like to experience life the way you do. People could learn from it. It could be interesting.

It almost sounds like you're asking what's the point of living life if you're anything other than completely "normal"... whatever that is.

[SoulRiser]

"I'm pretty sure there's a lot of beauty that can only be found in the mind of a lunatic." - TheCancer

I like this quote so much I'm putting it in my sig and on Facebook.

[TheCancer]

Wow. Thanks SR.

[Rule_BreakerXVIII]

Even half a life is better than no life at all. The thought of losing one of my senses or limbs horrifies me, but I wouldn't kill myself just because I couldn't walk/talk/see/hear/*something else* anymore. Life can be experienced in various ways, not just one or two.

Quote:Seems pointless (in my opinion) to persist if you happen to have schizophrenia, paranoia, narcissism or any other condition that affects quality of life in such a major way, that there really is no real reason to continue on with it.

Diseases or disorders can be cured- or at least treated- with the right amount of effort. If there is anyone who gives up on themselves so easily, I wouldn't say that they were worth much to begin with.

Quote:I'm not assuming: "Hey, you have a debilitating mental condition that is affecting your quality of life, kill yourself!" I mean it as: "Hey, I have a huge mental problem, maybe I should kill myself since it makes my day to day life impossible to handle."

No. I can't say about others, but I still wouldn't kill myself.