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many solutions to the school problem actually don't help

Every day on the news, we always hear about that big new computer program, that new smartboard, and all kinds of other technologies that everyone claims will solve the school problem once and for all. Yet there's one thing. I feel that most of these solutions don't really solve the problem, they just put a bandage on a fractured skull, so to speak. My opinion is, I don't care how many big algorithms you put in, how many smartboards and laptops you implement into classrooms; unless you resolve certain, foundational problems, you may help, but you won't solve the problem in the end. Thoughts?
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I totally agree. What do you think is needed, instead? What are the foundational problems getting in the way of learning?

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RE: many solutions to the school problem actually don't help

Hah as much as I know most students use laptops on classroom to waste time, in other hand there are people conscious of that computers are meant for work too ...
Computers may be useful tools to do fast work like research ,when in the past you would have probably to write the research by hand. In the end ,yeah is the same ...
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I prefer paper for notes though. More freedom in how you can jot them down(in boxes, sideways, with lines and dots). You can do on a computer but it takes more time to organize it and stuff.

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The problems are the constant grading and ranking, the one-size-fits-all model, and that school does not conform to students; it has to be the other way around. And the compulsory element. It could be argued that the only thing taught in school is how to follow orders.
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Quote:very day on the news, we always hear about that big new computer program, that new smartboard, and all kinds of other technologies that everyone claims will solve the school problem once and for all. Yet there's one thing. I feel that most of these solutions don't really solve the problem, they just put a bandage on a fractured skull, so to speak. My opinion is, I don't care how many big algorithms you put in, how many smartboards and laptops you implement into classrooms; unless you resolve certain, foundational problems, you may help, but you won't solve the problem in the end. Thoughts?

My though is that news are mainly there to indoctrinate the public, and sway the public with bullshit information about world topics and actually keeps people from actually critically think about different opinions. Instead of two opinions on a limited spectrum, with the same foundation agreement on a certain topic. So yeah, everything. Thats why I try to find news that are independent and funded by actual people with the intent of free thinking. Though I think journalism
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RE: many solutions to the school problem actually don't help

The problem is that it's compulsory.

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@TheCancer, do you mean compulsory by the state, or parents forcing their kids to go, or both?

Regardless, compulsion is a problem. But, remove the compulsion element and two problems remain:

- Many would choose to go anyway, despite the problems of the factory-model... if they don't see another option with some of the perceived benefits of school (place to go, people to interact with, teachers and mentors, possibly free lunch, extracurricular activities, etc.)

- Those who opt out are still faced with the question of how to learn and figure out life.

Of course, there are ways to figure out learning and life without school, but for many it does help to have something like teachers, mentors, community managers around at least some of the time. That's why I like the North Star model and other models that provide some of those things in a much more flexible way than school. The big catch is that there's generally no state funding for anything that isn't "push people through standards for test scores," especially these days. So people have to be creative.

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(02-03-2015 06:17 AM)Mo the jo Wrote:  The problems are the constant grading and ranking, the one-size-fits-all model, and that school does not conform to students; it has to be the other way around. And the compulsory element. It could be observed that the only thing taught in school is how to follow orders.

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Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.

There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?

Some people try to justify their prejudice against consanguineous sex and
marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. Some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. It is true that in general, children born to consanguineous parents have an increased chance of these problems than those born to nonconsanguineous parents, but the odds are still minimal. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.

Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?

Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.

Some say “There are so many people outside of your family." There are plenty of people within one’s own race, too, but that is no reason to ban interracial marriage. So, this isn't a good reason either. Let consenting adults love each other the way they want!"-Keith Pullman

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In my area, they keep trying new programs to 'fix' the schools, but since they don't get immediate results..they drop it like its hot. My dad calls this "Flavor of the Month"

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