many solutions to the school problem actually don't help

[Mo the jo]

Every day on the news, we always hear about that big new computer program, that new smartboard, and all kinds of other technologies that everyone claims will solve the school problem once and for all. Yet there's one thing. I feel that most of these solutions don't really solve the problem, they just put a bandage on a fractured skull, so to speak. My opinion is, I don't care how many big algorithms you put in, how many smartboards and laptops you implement into classrooms; unless you resolve certain, foundational problems, you may help, but you won't solve the problem in the end. Thoughts?

[xcriteria]

I totally agree. What do you think is needed, instead? What are the foundational problems getting in the way of learning?

[isolatedsystem]

Hah as much as I know most students use laptops on classroom to waste time, in other hand there are people conscious of that computers are meant for work too ...
Computers may be useful tools to do fast work like research ,when in the past you would have probably to write the research by hand. In the end ,yeah is the same ...

[brainiac3397]

I prefer paper for notes though. More freedom in how you can jot them down(in boxes, sideways, with lines and dots). You can do on a computer but it takes more time to organize it and stuff.

[Mo the jo]

The problems are the constant grading and ranking, the one-size-fits-all model, and that school does not conform to students; it has to be the other way around. And the compulsory element. It could be argued that the only thing taught in school is how to follow orders.

[MurkScribe]

Quote:very day on the news, we always hear about that big new computer program, that new smartboard, and all kinds of other technologies that everyone claims will solve the school problem once and for all. Yet there's one thing. I feel that most of these solutions don't really solve the problem, they just put a bandage on a fractured skull, so to speak. My opinion is, I don't care how many big algorithms you put in, how many smartboards and laptops you implement into classrooms; unless you resolve certain, foundational problems, you may help, but you won't solve the problem in the end. Thoughts?

My though is that news are mainly there to indoctrinate the public, and sway the public with bullshit information about world topics and actually keeps people from actually critically think about different opinions. Instead of two opinions on a limited spectrum, with the same foundation agreement on a certain topic. So yeah, everything. Thats why I try to find news that are independent and funded by actual people with the intent of free thinking. Though I think journalism
bias inevitable.
http://ian56.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-sm...ssive.html

noam chomsky, that smart glasses guy.

[TheCancer]

The problem is that it's compulsory.

[xcriteria]

@TheCancer, do you mean compulsory by the state, or parents forcing their kids to go, or both?

Regardless, compulsion is a problem. But, remove the compulsion element and two problems remain:

- Many would choose to go anyway, despite the problems of the factory-model... if they don't see another option with some of the perceived benefits of school (place to go, people to interact with, teachers and mentors, possibly free lunch, extracurricular activities, etc.)

- Those who opt out are still faced with the question of how to learn and figure out life.

Of course, there are ways to figure out learning and life without school, but for many it does help to have something like teachers, mentors, community managers around at least some of the time. That's why I like the North Star model and other models that provide some of those things in a much more flexible way than school. The big catch is that there's generally no state funding for anything that isn't "push people through standards for test scores," especially these days. So people have to be creative.

[Superkamiguru]

(02-03-2015 06:17 AM)Mo the jo Wrote:  The problems are the constant grading and ranking, the one-size-fits-all model, and that school does not conform to students; it has to be the other way around. And the compulsory element. It could be observed that the only thing taught in school is how to follow orders.

FIXED LIKE DONKEY KONG(WTF,SUPERKAMIGURU)

[Sadly_Not]

In my area, they keep trying new programs to 'fix' the schools, but since they don't get immediate results..they drop it like its hot. My dad calls this "Flavor of the Month"