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Is it OK that kids hate school?
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Is it OK that kids hate school?

Since kids, especially teens, are generally irresponsible, there is no more reason to listen to their complaints about school than to their complaints about eating vegetables and doing chores.

https://www.facebook.com/coollit/posts/1...1243512800

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01-20-2015 07:05 AM
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RE: Is it OK that kids hate school?

That's like saying you shouldn't listen to what an African-American has to say because he/she is black.

"If you wanna know how not secure you are, just take a look around. Nothing's secure. Nothing's safe. I don't hate technology, I don't hate hackers, because that's just what comes with it, without those hackers we wouldn't solve the problems we need to solve, especially security."

-Fred Durnst

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01-20-2015 08:54 AM
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Is it OK that kids hate school?

But kids are children, so their opinion really doesn't count.

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RE: Is it OK that kids hate school?

"It's not like kids have anything good to say. We're the adults, and we're the better age group." The lack of a child's voice is a problem in today's schooling.

Tell me, is this what you really think or are you imitating parents/adults who think this way?

"If you wanna know how not secure you are, just take a look around. Nothing's secure. Nothing's safe. I don't hate technology, I don't hate hackers, because that's just what comes with it, without those hackers we wouldn't solve the problems we need to solve, especially security."

-Fred Durnst

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01-20-2015 09:08 AM
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Is it OK that kids hate school?

Yeah, I'm imitating. Take a look at the facebook post I linked in the first post in this thread.

I'm sorry, I do that a lot. I'm militantly pro-child.

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RE: Is it OK that kids hate school?

(01-20-2015 09:14 AM)lisafromjackson Wrote:  Yeah, I'm imitating. Take a look at the facebook post I linked in the first post in this thread.

I'm sorry, I do that a lot. I'm militantly pro-child.

I can't view your entire post; I don't have Facebook. By the way, your signature is jacked up.

"If you wanna know how not secure you are, just take a look around. Nothing's secure. Nothing's safe. I don't hate technology, I don't hate hackers, because that's just what comes with it, without those hackers we wouldn't solve the problems we need to solve, especially security."

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01-20-2015 09:20 AM
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Is it OK that kids hate school?

Jacked up how?

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Is it OK that kids hate school?

"...and and..."

"If you wanna know how not secure you are, just take a look around. Nothing's secure. Nothing's safe. I don't hate technology, I don't hate hackers, because that's just what comes with it, without those hackers we wouldn't solve the problems we need to solve, especially security."

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01-20-2015 09:39 AM
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RE: Is it OK that kids hate school?

(01-20-2015 07:05 AM)lisafromjackson Wrote:  Since kids, especially teens, are generally irresponsible, there is no more reason to listen to their complaints about school than to their complaints about eating vegetables and doing chores.
This statement is in itself absurd. This statement, aside from straw manning, dehumanizes kids(and teens) to an extent, and displays them with negative connotations. This in itself allows you to dismiss an argument without proving it incorrect.

Also their complaints may hold validity and reasoning. This statement itself raises an issue with me as it also dismisses any reasoning behind their complaints which may be valid.

Also since you are making this claim, I must ask for your reasoning behind this, and any evidence that does support your claims. Since you made the claim you are the one with the Burden of Proof, thus you must show some proof in order for your statement to have any weight behind it.

(01-20-2015 09:02 AM)lisafromjackson Wrote:  But kids are children, so their opinion really doesn't count.
However they are still humans, right? As such they are living, breathing, and thinking and as such have opinions. As such you make the kid a 'lesser' being by stating their opinion doesn't count (which if applied to children can actually harm them when they get older). However there must be a reason to dismiss another human's opinions, even if they are younger than you. So I have to ask, on what grounds do their opinions not count, and what evidence to you have to support that?


(01-20-2015 09:14 AM)lisafromjackson Wrote:  Yeah, I'm imitating. Take a look at the facebook post I linked in the first post in this thread.

I'm sorry, I do that a lot. I'm militantly pro-child.
You should probably give some sort of indication of what you are doing so this way people understand (for example sarcasm online is typically followed by /s, so perhaps do something similar to that.)

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Is it OK that kids hate school?

Yeah, thanks...

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Is it OK that kids hate school?

To answer OP's title question: No. It's not OK. And it's not healthy for us.

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RE: Is it OK that kids hate school?

(01-20-2015 08:06 PM)Dirtbikemike Wrote:  To answer OP's title question: No. It's not OK. And it's not healthy for us.

It's definitely not OK. I don't think adults can see the damage that school does to kids. I mean, there are some people who are fine with the mentality that your signature denotes, but by and large I really want to believe that adults want to get out of that cycle too.

The thing that holds adults back is a crippling fear that they will end up powerless. And they hold onto this belief so hard that they start drilling it into their kids when they're little babies. It gets worse and worse as the kids get older because the kids start to see that it's all just BS. And they call the parents on it. But the parents are already so brainwashed that they can't see another way.

It's really scary and sad that adults fall into this way of thinking because they lose touch with the dreams and inspirations they had when they were kids. And then they're miserable and they want to keep their kids 'in-line' so they feel like they're doing the right thing. Ridiculous
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RE: Is it OK that kids hate school?

(01-20-2015 07:05 AM)lisafromjackson Wrote:  Since kids, especially teens, are generally irresponsible, there is no more reason to listen to their complaints about school than to their complaints about eating vegetables and doing chores.

That's quite a bit different,and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same fucking NOVEL as something as legitimately damaging as "school".

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"CONSENSUAL incest is not wrong. (Abuse victims: being abused by a relative does not make it wrong for others to have consensual incest, any more than rape by a stranger makes all sex wrong. Sex and assault/molestation are two different things.) An aversion became common in humans that aided in population growth as one disease couldn't wipe out the human race. That's not a problem anymore.

Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.

There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?

Some people try to justify their prejudice against consanguineous sex and
marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. Some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. It is true that in general, children born to consanguineous parents have an increased chance of these problems than those born to nonconsanguineous parents, but the odds are still minimal. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.

Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?

Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.

Some say “There are so many people outside of your family." There are plenty of people within one’s own race, too, but that is no reason to ban interracial marriage. So, this isn't a good reason either. Let consenting adults love each other the way they want!"-Keith Pullman

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