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c00ldud3 · 12-31-2014 08:18 AM

He thinks that school hasn't gotten any worse from when he went to school in the 80s/early 90s..

he obviously hasn't heard about common core and no child left behind and what they do.

hmm..

let me see if i can write an essay to him explaining all the bad about school. would you guys be up to help?

lisafromjackson · 12-31-2014 08:38 AM

Absolutely.

xcriteria · 12-31-2014 08:56 AM

Yeah, I'll help. Lots of overlap with the overall goal of helping more parents at least understand the issues.

MrAnonymous · 12-31-2014 01:05 PM

It's too bad that your dad seems to have only been given information fed to him without examining it.

James Comey · 12-31-2014 01:12 PM

Oh wow, you got caught on SS?

What I have to say is that the American high school is a completely different beast from the 80s-90s, and I can go as to why, even if the basic model is the same. The most important thing is that students are disengaged from learning more than ever, and the advancement of technology shows that learning outside a typical classroom is possible.

Missile · 12-31-2014 02:24 PM

I don't recall that you can be suspended for wearing a shirt like mine in a high school in 1994.

(I have this exact t-shirt)

Dikont5 · 12-31-2014 05:14 PM

(12-31-2014 08:18 AM)c00ldud3 Wrote: He thinks that school hasn't gotten any worse from when he went to school in the 80s/early 90s..

he obviously hasn't heard about common core and no child left behind and what they do.

hmm..

let me see if i can write an essay to him explaining all the bad about school. would you guys be up to help?

If your dad hasn't thought that school has gotten worse since he left, I would highly recommend him to ask him to go to public school for a day and see how long he lasts before he runs out the door. Such subjective thinking is screwing parents over. "Back in my day, I had to research things using textbooks and shit." Word of advice, we are connected to electronics 24-7, and we also go to school 24-7, so we know how bad school is compared to parents "glory days", so you can't say shit about our generation and the problems many adolescents experience throughout their life.

lisafromjackson · 12-31-2014 11:42 PM

The thing is, school in many ways has gotten worse, but it always was bad for many, many kids -- including me. I would have done badly at any school, but I went to a high-pressure academic high school. My friends never really thought I was dummer than they were, but they didn't really understand why i did badly. (Nor do I really. I dont' understand people who can be interested in anything a teacher puts in front of them and learn in whatever way the teacher chose! They are just a mystery to me.)

So what I think is happening in your dad's head is that maybe he found school to be easy, and thinks it should be easy for you, too.

I have a blog post that he might find interesting....http://mindsofkids.blogspot.com/2012/05/12-most-critical-reasons-why-we-cant-go.html

Let me know if you show it to him -- I'd love to hear what he thinks.

TheCancer · 01-01-2015 02:12 AM

It's still a problem but when I was in school the atmosphere was much more racist, homophobic, classist, and ableist. Your generation still has problems but we were horribly cruel and stupid. When I see how accepting my students are of each others differences I know we've come a long long way.

The institution of public education has gotten both better and worse. We were far more free. We had an hour for lunch, we could leave campus, the teachers turned a blind eye to all kinds of craziness. We had fun. Your generation is much more locked down by rules. In my state we didn't have any state mandated testing. You just passed your class and moved on. On the other hand, a lot of advancements have been made concerning teaching people with disabilities. But the worst thing about schools today is there's so much more anger. Teachers yell a lot. Students yell back. It's become much more adversarial and aggressive on both sides. Even the students (and teachers) who aren't angry are still being exposed to anger everyday and that's bad for your health and development.

c00ldud3 · 01-01-2015 03:42 AM

(12-31-2014 11:42 PM)lisafromjackson Wrote: The thing is, school in many ways has gotten worse, but it always was bad for many, many kids -- including me. I would have done badly at any school, but I went to a high-pressure academic high school. My friends never really thought I was dummer than they were, but they didn't really understand why i did badly. (Nor do I really. I dont' understand people who can be interested in anything a teacher puts in front of them and learn in whatever way the teacher chose! They are just a mystery to me.)

So what I think is happening in your dad's head is that maybe he found school to be easy, and thinks it should be easy for you, too.

I have a blog post that he might find interesting....http://mindsofkids.blogspot.com/2012/05/12-most-critical-reasons-why-we-cant-go.html

Let me know if you show it to him -- I'd love to hear what he thinks.

He didn't get the best grades either.. from what I heard.

But not as bad as me.

@missle
my dad was 22 around 1994

i should've stated my dad was born in '72

brainiac3397 · 01-01-2015 04:44 AM

I believe one of HS teachers took a job at some poverty area HS where teachers pretty much walk around in bulletproof vests, and there are always 3 teachers per class.

Its like a place 1 above juvie...
He went though because he needed the money. Surprising though is the guy is a lawyer but I guess his field was in recession so he went into teaching history, which was something he also studied for.

Damn shame. The guy was a great teacher.

Missile · 01-01-2015 05:49 AM

I'd rather be in a pre-911/Columbine high school, probably around 1994-1998. I probably won't get suspended for doodling a stick figure with a gun back then.

Your dad is as old as my mom

brainiac3397 · 01-01-2015 07:00 AM

I doodled lots of guns, tanks and dying stick figures(can't learn to draw if you don't practice drawing it).

I guess being a well-liked, high grade, favoritized student at a private school saved me from the whole "omg u is psycho killer in the making"

Trekkie_Aspie · 01-01-2015 07:13 AM

Show him some of these sites:

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=homeschoolin...+and+1990s

In other words, regardless of school being worse or not now, it was bad in the 1980s-1990s. Maybe make that point?

Missile · 01-01-2015 07:29 AM

(01-01-2015 07:00 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote: I doodled lots of guns, tanks and dying stick figures

Looks like we have something in common
I drew this in English class a few weeks ago. I probably would get suspended if the teacher saw it

brainiac3397 · 01-01-2015 08:03 AM

well I mainly drew guns and stuff. I sucked at drawing living beings.

Hidden stuff:

Most early drawings. I haven't uploaded any of my newer ones.

Thought Criminal · 01-01-2015 04:07 PM

Oh lord, I'm having flashbacks.
My dad was all up in my goodies about SS back when I first joined. I'm 21 now and well out of school but I joined when I was still in middle school back in the 7th grade and my father did not like it. He wanted to know what I was posting, and eventually ended up asking for my password so he could monitor my activity. I refused but he actually joined the site himself just so he could see what I was posting. I ended up making a second account as a sockpuppet under a different name and let everyone know it was me on you know where since he didn't have access to it. I joined as "Apocalipto" but chose "Thought Criminal" as sort of a secret middle finger to my dad.
I don't know the specifics of your situation hopefully your parents aren't some Evangelical whack jobs, my sympathies if they are. My Dad just kind of dropped it after a while. I think he realized how much of dick he was being, probably thanks to my mom talking some reason into him.
I hope things work out okay for you bro! I know how it feels, it gets better though, trust me. Hug

Missile · 01-01-2015 04:11 PM

What was your dad's username? If I knew this sooner, I would of trolled him

Thought Criminal · 01-01-2015 04:23 PM

Fuck if I remember. This was almost 9 years ago, he's long since abandoned it.

KFC Nyan Cat · 01-02-2015 06:43 AM

My brother is like this with SS. He thinks SS is making me stupid because.....reasons. He just rats me out to my mom though, even though my mom doesn't care.

Missile · 01-02-2015 07:42 AM

(01-02-2015 06:43 AM)KFC Nyan Cat Wrote: My brother is like this with SS. He thinks SS is making me stupid because.....reasons. He just rats me out to my mom though, even though my mom doesn't care.

Apparently my little brother is the same as your brother

**SoulRiser** · 01-02-2015 09:55 PM

I was in school in the 90's too. So his argument is invalid. Razz

Damn now I feel old.

lisafromjackson · 01-03-2015 01:46 AM

His argument was invalid in the 70s as well.

c00ldud3 · 01-03-2015 02:31 AM

(01-02-2015 06:43 AM)KFC Nyan Cat Wrote: My brother is like this with SS. He thinks SS is making me stupid because.....reasons. He just rats me out to my mom though, even though my mom doesn't care.

Same with my brother who's in 6th grade. He gets straight A's which doesn't help at all with my parents' thoughts.
It sort of, I don't know, psychologically makes my parents increase their expectations of me, I know they say they don't expect straight A's but they sort of kiss up on my brother because of the fact that he gets straight A's. I don't want to ruin my brother's grades in school, so I'm trying not to change him at all even though I feel like I should, my brother's a very bright kid, he's got similar interests to me, and we are brothers and because of that we are very close. I mean I got similar grades in his grade, so he could possibly make the transition, but I just feel like my parents think he's brighter than me because he got higher grades than I did when I was his age. It's really frustrating and it's just a negative factor of grades.

(01-02-2015 09:55 PM)SoulRiser Wrote: Damn now I feel old.

whoops.

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