Arcade

[Eidolon]

Have you ever been to an arcade?
What did you think about it?

Why did arcades go away?
What would make one successful?
What would make you want to go to an arcade?

I remember spending countless quarters on games like Metal Slug and Turtles in Time. I know it's kind of a hassle to keep running to the change machine to get more quarters. I know that a quarter is a lot of money for one life.

What would be a better system?

[Alistoriv]

Home video gaming
that's why arcades disappeared and the better system

[KFC Nyan Cat]

If there was an arcade in my area with 90s games (especially a Neo Geo MVS with KOF 96 and/or KOF 99) I'd be all over dat shit.

I was born too late.

[Eidolon]

(11-09-2014 09:57 AM)Alistoriv Wrote:  Home video gaming
that's why arcades disappeared and the better system

Imagine a scenario in which you only want to play a few games for one platform.
Does it really make sense to spend five- or six-hundred dollars to play those games?

[no]

(11-09-2014 01:08 PM)Eidolon Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 09:57 AM)Alistoriv Wrote:  Home video gaming
that's why arcades disappeared and the better system

Imagine a scenario in which you only want to play a few games for one platform.
Does it really make sense to spend five- or six-hundred dollars to play those games?

PC. Multifunctionality FTW.

[brainiac3397]

Arcades were fun, but I hate putting in dat money. Each quarter was a prick to my jew soul.

[KFC Nyan Cat]

(11-09-2014 01:20 PM)no Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:08 PM)Eidolon Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 09:57 AM)Alistoriv Wrote:  Home video gaming
that's why arcades disappeared and the better system

Imagine a scenario in which you only want to play a few games for one platform.
Does it really make sense to spend five- or six-hundred dollars to play those games?

PC. Multifunctionality FTW.

Yeah, because PCs emulate the PS3 and the Xbox Classic PERFECTLY FINE!

[Chanku]

Actually PS3 is getting better.... and the xbox emulation is only because it's so fucking hard, although there are a few emulators out there that are being made for it...

[Eidolon]

(11-09-2014 01:33 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Arcades were fun, but I hate putting in dat money. Each quarter was a prick to my jew soul.

I completely agree. Quarters in arcades get used up way too fast, and the whole thing ends up being a ripoff.

There's got to be a better way.

[(´・ω・`)]

>implying you don't try to 1cc
scrubs plz ;_;

[(´・ω・`)]

But anyways, here are my serious rambling thoughts on the matter. (part 1)

Quote:Have you ever been to an arcade?

Yes and no. I've been to plenty of barcades and seen arcade cabinets featured as a side attraction at rest stops and the like (hello Daytona USA), but I haven't been in an honest to God arcade. However, I would love to visit one of the legitimate ones in Japan, like Taito HEY, Club Sega, or Ebi-cen.

Quote:What did you think about it?

Honestly, back when I went to those places, I didn't have an appreciation of what makes the arcade experience special, crap games were stocked, and I didn't bother playing much. I think I've only played once or twice on an actual arcade cabinet in my life, and honestly, that disturbs me more then it should.

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Quote:Why did arcades go away?

(part 2)
This is a very complicated question to ask. Honestly, I think it's due to a number of interconnected factors. Let's start with mindset. In the US and Europe, most players (unless they were budget strapped or challenge whores), decided to credit feed everything. As a result, arcades got an un-deserved reputation as quarter munchers and the games became not nearly as enjoyable as they should have been. Thus, when consoles became comparable to arcade hardware in terms of processing power, control interfaces, etc., this demographic quickly abandoned the arcades in favor of the interactive movies and cheap, easy games that consoles offered. And with that, arcades became desperate, favoring unusual spectacle over actual good games and decent mindsets, arcades died out in the United States and Europe (for the most part). Now Japan, China, South Korea, and SE Asia is another story entirely, and I intend to cover it in a follow-up post. But for now, that's enough of my rambling thoughts on this question.

[(´・ω・`)]

Quote:What would make one successful?

(part 3)
Nothing short of a dramatic change in mindset from the average gamer. This is where Japan comes in. Japan, with it's unique combination of hyperurbanized environment and challenge-seeking players, has seen the arcades not only not die, but flourish despite the odds. Until the concept of the 1CC becomes appealing to the average player, and games designed to accomodate that concept (shmups, etc.) proliferate, then the kinds of arcades I like will never happen in America.

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Quote:What would make you want to go to an arcade?

1CC atmosphere and great games. (hell, I'd like to manage an arcade myself if nothing else)

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Quote:What would be a better system?

Aye, now there's the rub. I honestly think that nothing can exceed a proper arcade as an exciting, terrifying, thrilling environment for gaming. But that said, MAME helps placate me in the meantime, some independent Japanese developers (think Yotsubane, etc.) are making games that comply with the arcade-styled norms (heavy challenge, 1CC, etc.), and quite a few arcade-styled games make their ways to consoles as well (although not in the friendliest form possible, damn you Microsoft Japan).

[(´・ω・`)]

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Yeah, because PCs emulate the PS3 and the Xbox Classic PERFECTLY FINE!

KFC pls. Xbox Classic doesn't have much worthwhile that isn't already on PC anyways, and as for PS3 emulation, let's just say that it's improving like nobody's business.

Case in point:




Oh, and before I forget. THIS COULD BE YOU

[KFC Nyan Cat]

>Xbox Classic
>Nothing worthwile

Sega GT 2002, Project Gotham Racing, Project Gotham Racing 2, Blinx, Blinx 2, Jet Set Radio Future, MechAssult, Dead or Alive 3, Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball (lol jk,) Panzer Dragoon Orta, Steel Battalion, Ninja Gaiden 2004, and OutRun 2.

Also, what about Xbox 360, Xbox One, or PS4?

[TheCancer]

In my day we played pinball in KISS and AC/DC t-shirts. Then Space Invaders and punk rock took it to a whole new level. We used to meet up in the arcade and then go hang out in the woods getting into all kinds of good (bad) stuff.

[(´・ω・`)]

(11-10-2014 10:18 AM)TheCancer Wrote:  In my day we played pinball in KISS and AC/DC t-shirts. Then Space Invaders and punk rock took it to a whole new level. We used to meet up in the arcade and then go hang out in the woods getting into all kinds of good (bad) stuff.

You know what, that sounds good too. Just saying.

[Chanku]

(11-10-2014 10:13 AM)KFC Nyan Cat Wrote:  >Xbox Classic
>Nothing worthwile

You forgot the PC part of that as well.... And also you do realize how hard Emulation is...especially when there is little documentation on the hardware itself, and with the low amount of Worth-While not-on-pc games, it's simply not worth it...although again there are a few that are working on it...

Quote:Also, what about Xbox 360, Xbox One, or PS4?

Xbox 360 - Going along about as good as the PS3 Emulation IIRC, excluding a few issues I think.

Xbox One/PS4 it will be a few years prior to even basic emulation being ready, albeit since they use the x86_64 Architecture(IIRC), it shouldn't be as long as the PS3's Emulation. Although again I'd say wait about 2-5 years before anything becomes remotely ready in the field of Emulation for the Xbone and the Potato Station 4 to actually get anywhere notable.

You seem to think that Emulation is something that's easy, when in fact it's not, especially since Emulators are done for free as well. Also use common sense, if it's taken several years to get PS3 emulation to where it is, it may take that long, or longer, to get the next 'gen' of consoles emulate-able.

[KFC Nyan Cat]

(11-10-2014 10:39 AM)Chanku Wrote:  You seem to think that Emulation is something that's easy, when in fact it's not, especially since Emulators are done for free as well. Also use common sense, if it's taken several years to get PS3 emulation to where it is, it may take that long, or longer, to get the next 'gen' of consoles emulate-able.

Actually, this is just me wording things the way PC Gamers put it into my mind: They word it in a way that makes it sound like I'm gonna be able to emulate PS4 at 9 FPS next year.

[(´・ω・`)]

You seem to be missing the more obvious question. Why would I want to emulate a PS4, other then for shock value and to get SCEA's lawyers on my tail? I have much better things to play, hell, much better things to emulate then a goddamn PS4 of all things. And this is doubly true for the Xbox One.

[KFC Nyan Cat]

(11-10-2014 12:01 PM)Neue Wrote:  You seem to be missing the more obvious question. Why would I want to emulate a PS4, other then for shock value and to get SCEA's lawyers on my tail? I have much better things to play, hell, much better things to emulate then a goddamn PS4 of all things. And this is doubly true for the Xbox One.

You're right.........until PS4/Xbone actually gets good exclusives at least (Xbone has Sunset Overdrive, but I think I heard somewhere that it's coming to PC.)

[SoulRiser]

When I was 5 (or somewhere around there), I told my parents I want a bag of coins for my birthday... for arcade games. Which I sucked horribly at... but still kept playing anyway.

Quote:What would make you want to go to an arcade?

Playing multiplayer games with friends might do it.

Quote:I know it's kind of a hassle to keep running to the change machine to get more quarters. I know that a quarter is a lot of money for one life.

Swiping some kind of card might be better maybe.

[Chanku]

(11-11-2014 03:06 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  When I was 5 (or somewhere around there), I told my parents I want a bag of coins for my birthday... for arcade games. Which I sucked horribly at... but still kept playing anyway.

Cool

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Quote:What would make you want to go to an arcade?

Playing multiplayer games with friends might do it.

This is my reasoning with LAN parties.

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Quote:I know it's kind of a hassle to keep running to the change machine to get more quarters. I know that a quarter is a lot of money for one life.

Swiping some kind of card might be better maybe.

Actually there's a place in my town called, Lanes, Trains, and Automobiles.It has Bumper Cars, Laser Tag, Bowling, and an arcade(I think you can get food too), however they use a card-based system, you put money on a card they give you(kinda like a debit-card), and you can use it for whatever you need(except bowling IIRC), the only downside is the money is non-refundable, so you won't get the money back. It's actually somewhat popular, at least with Elementary-Middle School Students, not with High School Students it seems :/