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another teacher tries to force poa...

This has all been said before by others... I know.

At least one teacher every year (and some students) since I've stopped doing the pledge of allegiance has tried to tell me that I'm required to do the pledge, despite it not actually being required.

And then either one of two things happen. They drop it, or they go to the principal to complain, where he promptly tells them that I don't have to do it.

Why. Do they not understand the rules of the place that they work at, or are they simply lying to me in hopes that I'll be intimidated and do it?

This happened today. When I told my teacher that I don't have to do it if I don't want to, and that I'm sick of people nagging me about it, she acted like I overreacted or something. Was I angry? Yes, a bit, because I don't exactly relish being told that I'm doing something wrong when I'm not. But I didn't yell at her or anything... telling me to take a deep breath and calm down was unnecessary.

What I also don't understand is why she brought it up now, three months into the school year. I kind of feel like this was not even about the pledge, but an excuse for her to scold me.
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RE: another teacher tries to force poa...

Intimidate. People are stupid and seem to think they are following the rules despite the fact the rule isnt an actual rule.

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RE: another teacher tries to force poa...

For what it's worth, I'm proud of you Dead. Even if all the kids in your class say it day after day you're putting that seed of truth in their heads every time you refuse: That it's a stupid tradition. The Flag is a piece of cloth with no awareness of people's so-called "allegiance". It makes more sense to pledge allegiance to a cockroach. At least a roach is a living thing that might have something in some small way resembling awareness and sentience. People have been pledging their allegiance to The Flag by the tens of millions everyday for decades and not one flag has given us a single command in all that time. Take a hint people, The Flag doesn't care.

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Pledge to Bush Jr.

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He's smart!!!

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RE: another teacher tries to force poa...

To be honest, the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional. The school forces you to recite the pledge with "under God," which violates the Amendment I. Amendment I separates the church from the state. By forcing people to recite something with a religious phrase, you make people conform to your religion—note there are atheist kids and kids of other religions who attend the schools.

The thing is, though, the phrase "under God" was never always there. The first Pledge of Allegiance was, "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Dwight D. Eisenhower, however, decided to ask Congress to add "under God."

Do I think the P of A is appropriate? No. It doesn't separate church from state. Do I think that it should not be enforced? Definitely!

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another teacher tries to force poa...

Actually the 'Under God' Section is a remnant of McCarthyism and the 'Red Scare' in which it was added to separate the US from the Soviets/Communists.

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RE: another teacher tries to force poa...

Ah yes, I should have added that it was due to the fear of Communism. Razz But anyway, if his teacher is doing that, can't (s)he lose her job for that?

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It's possible.

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Very very very unlikely.

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I have outright stopped participating. What's the point in pledging to a piece of cloth? None. The flag doesn't care. It's not living.
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RE: another teacher tries to force poa...

Also, how does forcing someone to say something make it true?

Hello, traveler.

This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.

Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"

Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.

People are allowed to change their views.

Nevertheless, this period of my life has informed some of how I am today. In good ways and bad ways. To purge it would be to do a disservice to history. Perhaps it will not make anyone sympathetic, but it may help someone understand.

If, after reading all this, you still decide to use the post above as evidence that I am evil today, ask yourself if you have never disagreed with the moral code you now follow. In all likelihood you did, at some point. If some questions are verboten, and the answer is "how dare you ask that," don't expect your ideological opponents to ever change their minds.
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