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Oh yeah and Ayn Rand isn't the authority on capitalism. There are multiple different types of capitalism with different theories and et cetera. Standard books include Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, John Maynard Keyne's General Theory, and FA Hayek's Road to Serfdom or Fatal Conceit. Note many capitalists disagree - like Hayek and Keynes.

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John Tuttle Wrote:Oh yeah and Ayn Rand isn't the authority on capitalism. There are multiple different types of capitalism with different theories and et cetera. Standard books include Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, John Maynard Keyne's General Theory, and FA Hayek's Road to Serfdom or Fatal Conceit. Note many capitalists disagree - like Hayek and Keynes.
Don't forget Mises's Human Action or Friedman's Capitalism and Freedom.

Or even John Stuart Mill's Political Economy.

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Ayn Rand is crock. She misrepresents many philosophers actual beliefs, I would still read at least one of her books though. It still gives you a general idea of how capitalism works no matter how inaccurate her argument may be.
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Thought Criminal Wrote:Ayn Rand is crock. She misrepresents many philosophers actual beliefs
How?

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She manipulates the message of other philosophers to suit her argument. Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not arguing against capitalism here, I actually find myself leaning more and more to capitalist ideas. Ayn Rand just doesn't know what she is talking about. There were people before her that did a much better job arguing for capitalism without misinterpreting or twisting the views of others.
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Thought Criminal Wrote:She manipulates the message of other philosophers to suit her argument. Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not arguing against capitalism here, I actually find myself leaning more and more to capitalist ideas. Ayn Rand just doesn't know what she is talking about. There were people before her that did a much better job arguing for capitalism without misinterpreting or twisting the views of others.
Ayn Rand argues for an entire philosophy (Objectivism), not just capitalism. It's just that capitalism is a part of the philosophy. It's not even the main aim of the philosophy.

I'm most definitely not an Objectivist, not yet. I do accept basic tenets of it, but when I see some things Rand argued fro (like her ludicrous ideas on sex) I realize I need to read other philosophy to decide where I'm at. I think with Rand, what one finds, is someone who read Nietzsche and Aristotle, thought that it was enough, and decided to make a philosophy based on her conclusions (which included decrying Nietzsche as awful and respecting Aristotle as the only true philosopher other than her). One, however, can tell Nietzsche had and influence on her, but it's muted by her idea of rights. Nietzscheanism is inherently totalitarian.

But Rand was necessarily doomed, by human nature, to be this way after a certain point in her life. She surrounded herself with followers in a sort of pseudo-cult, insulated herself from criticism. Heck, Murray Rothbard (A very important libertarian figure, and father of modern anarcho-capitalism) was once a Randian, but later fell out and wrote a satirical play about the Objectivist movement. Rand ended up hating Rothbard. Today there a rift in Objectivism, descended from this semi-cultism, between traditional Objectivists, that basically take Rand's word as the Bible, and "open" Objectivists that think that Rand might be wrong on some counts. Take, for example, the fact that Rand thought homosexuality was morally wrong. Many "open" Objectivists have stated that Rand had no logical foundation for that fact, and that homosexuality is not in conflict with Objectivism.

So, just figured I'd clarify things, and realize you were more right than wrong.

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