teacher benefits

[bigaloof]

I think PERA should be taken away from teachers altogether. They don't contribute enough to deserve such a nice benefits package. And I think professors shouldn't get tenure. I've seen too many educators live such an easy life and do so little in return.

The meta-message students get from this is that you should pretend to be doing good, while all the while you should sponge off the government as much as humanly possible.

[brainiac3397]

Getting a PhD isn't an easy task, referring to professors.

As well as the fact teaching isn't really a financially rewarding job compared to what could be earned doing some other job having studied something else.

[TheCancer]

I'm ashamed to think I might be earning the ability to retire someday. How selfish of me.

[KFC Nyan Cat]

(10-19-2014 01:33 AM)TheCancer Wrote:  I'm ashamed to think I might be earning the ability to retire someday. How selfish of me.

My dad probably works harder than you, plus getting his money unfairly taken by butthurt police because they want to park in his loading zone and he'll probably never be able to retire unless it comes from future me's pocket because he makes less than a teacher.

This is the only time I will say this with any sincerity: check your privilege.

[TheCancer]

OK

I'll set my limit as to what I expect in terms of pay and benefits based on what your dad earns.

[Username]

I'm quite certain that my English teacher gets a nice bonus from my olympiad results.
I'm not sure I'm perfectly okay with that, seeing as she is a shit teacher.
Can't believe she once asked me if castle was spelled as "chastl"

But as for bigaloof, do you dream of a world without teachers?

[brainiac3397]

Lets point out that physical labor is not a comparable reference with administrative, educational or intellectual labor.

Something tells me your father would be ill-equipped to not only educate, but also prepare for the task of being a teacher. Especially without the proper training and qualification.

Do please avoid the sophmoric arguement of "my muscles hurt so I do more work".

[TheCancer]

All workers should be provided with a livable wage, health care, and retirement. Instead of suggesting I should have less, let's get smart and advocate for hard working men like Cat's father to be justly rewarded and respected for his labor.

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Brain


I'm sure Cat's father does things I can't do and those are things we need done for our society to function. We need to respect all labor. No man should work his whole life and end up without a pension. That's obscene.

[Username]

The good teachers, who actually love their job and try to mix up the curriculum actually put a fuckton of hours into their work and enjoy educating children.
Coal miners are a replaceable pair of limbs sewn together with muscles and fat. Try finding a person that likes a subject enough to be enthusiastic talking about it, loves dealing with children and is willing to accept shit pay.

Meh-tier arguments, but fuck it, I can't be bothered.

[TheCancer]

Coal miners aren't just fat and muscle. They're people with families and human beings with emotions and concerns. And they provide a service of bringing energy to the people that we cannot live without. We could not live this life without them.

[Username]

(10-19-2014 05:29 AM)TheCancer Wrote:  Coal miners aren't just fat and muscle. They're people with families and human beings with emotions and concerns. And they provide a service of bringing energy to the people that we cannot live without. We could not live this life without them.

If all the existing coal miners were to evaporate, we'd hire more coal miners or better yet, we could completely transition into a better renewable energy source and wouldn't have to worry about the crippling unemployment that getting rid of coal as a widely used energy source would cause.
EZ

[brainiac3397]

I'm not saying he shouldnt have a pension. Im saying its erroneous to assume that just because a man doesn't exert significant physical effort in his labor, doesn't make him less deserving of his earning.

[Evan92]

Oh yes the struggle of teaching oooooh the oppression of teachers. Strike for 3 months and bitch, bitch, bitch. They deserve nothing except a swift kick in the balls. Poor things making only 80k a year it must be tough and the horror of having a summer off I just don't know how they sleep at night.

[Sharpie]

Where are you getting 80k a year lol teachers don't make anywhere near that

[TheCancer]

I don't even make half that.

I love summers off though. I'm not even going to lie. You can't put a price on free time.

I'm just saying instead of hating on teachers we should support all workers. But I guess haters gonna hate. Honestly, I don't even know what "check your privilage" means. It sounds like the type of slogan you might hear from people who major in whiny victimhood or women's studies or crybaby lit or white people suck or whatever they're calling it these days.

[bigaloof]

I apologize for picking on you, Cancer. (Cute name. Are you like William B Davis on the X-Files?)

"I'm ashamed to think I might be earning the ability to retire someday. How selfish of me."

That's the kind of meta-message I'm talking about. Students look up to teachers like they look up to parents. Can you imagine saying that to your children?

"I'm taking care of you so that one day you can support me; otherwise, I really don't care about you."

[Username]

(10-19-2014 12:51 PM)Evan92 Wrote:  Oh yes the struggle of teaching oooooh the oppression of teachers. Strike for 3 months and bitch, bitch, bitch. They deserve nothing except a swift kick in the balls. Poor things making only 80k a year it must be tough and the horror of having a summer off I just don't know how they sleep at night.

all of mah w0t?

[bigaloof]

Over on "Abolish Compulsory Schooling", they (we) seem to just be saying "let's get rid of compulsory schooling", but not offer any plans, not that that's a bad thing: this is a radical idea, and it's good to talk it through.

I started this thread because I felt this could be a practical way to end public schooling. There are many people outside of SS who are outraged by the benefits of public school and university educators. If you took those away, the pool of teachers left over, still willing to teach, might not be enough to support education as it exists today.

Username, I don't think bad teachers or students are the problem, just a symptom. I'm not even sure if public education is the main problem, although I think it's much closer. We live in such a factory-like world, and school is just one of those factory-like things that surround us. How much mass production is good? None, some, all? That's what I think of when I think of the world we should build.