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A Question of Ethics
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A Question of Ethics

At what point does cheating on assignments at the k-12 level become unethical? Is it ethical to cheat at all? Why should one care about learning useless garbage which is totally irrelevant to anything in real life, furthermore cheating is somewhat of a necessity in the present system just to get by. I have mixed feelings on this issue somewhat myself, but I can understand the mindset of those who do.
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RE: A Question of Ethics

If you just want to get through it, it seems ethical. The responsibility for doing so has been imposed on you. Why be stuck with their way of it?

If you're intending to use the results to dishonestly gain scholarship, admission, etc., it would seem to me to be unethical as well as laying a poor foundation for tertiary academics.

I haven't taken any ethics courses so I'm not quite sure what is meant by "ethical" or "unethical", so I've answered assuming that they mean conforming or not conforming to my sense of morality. Is something objectively ethical? Dunno.
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RE: A Question of Ethics

I cheated on every online class i've ever had to take and the reason i graduated highschool was because i cheated on most of my senior finals. I wanted the fuck out of school with minimal effort, no regrets
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A Question of Ethics

I cheated very rarely when I was still going to school. Now that I think about it it isn't really bad in K-12 schooling. A majority of the shit taught is useless. If you can do it without getting caught I think you should take advantage of it. You should probably make sure that the person/people you're cheating off of have good answers.

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RE: A Question of Ethics

When society believed in God, they had things they considered right and wrong. Sadly they institutionalized this as various rule based systems that sought compliance without understanding. Now that society is turning away from God, they still want the utility of right and wrong, but do not like that connotation so they use the word "ethics".

Ethics is a sort of flexible set of personal rules. It is similar to Bill Murry in Ghostbusters when he told the possessed woman that he had a rule about getting involved with clients. After she kissed him he said, "Well, its more of a guideline than a rule".

Rather than waving a scolding finger and saying, "It is wrong to cheat", we might want to go back to when there were reasons for things.

The practice of deception (including lying and cheating) is somewhat corrosive. It seems to get you what you want in the short term, but you pay a price in becoming less sensitive to what is true. In a way, you become increasingly vulnerable to being deceived yourself as a result of deceiving others.

The attractiveness of cheating and deception grows in proportion to the pressure that is applied. Most young people will buckle under this pressure to keep everyone off their back even at the expense of the damage it does them. It is understandable.

It can be helpful to have prepared various responses in anticipation of the failure that may accompany not cheating;

1. The reason I did poorly was that I was not interested in studying.
2. The test was not a measure of my failure to learn but of the teachers failure to teach.
3. You feel the need to bully me, I feel the need to be free from bullying.
4. If I flunk, is it because I failed to compensate for incompetent teachers?
5. If education is so important, why are 80,000 full time bartenders trying to figure out how to pay off their student loans for their four year degrees?
6. The reason I got a C was because I really don't care.
7. If I hear a different drummer, I can't really dance to your tune.
8. You may only be able to see success in your system as the only path to survival in life, but if that were true I would rather live as a failure.
9. If I have to cheat to get your approval of me, then it is not really me of whom you approve.
10. Like a prisoner, I will go where I am told and do what I am told, but don't berate me for failing to be enthusiastic and excel.

When I was in school, my parents saw me as a failure because I took shop classes. It was a huge relief to have them write me off as a "failure". Looking back, I wish things could have been different and they could have gotten to know me and accept me, but just having the pressure to perform taken off was a step up.
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I don't cheat. I don't care whether the situation warrants it, or whether or not its ethical - I find that there is more honor in hard-fought victory than in taking shortcuts.

Of course, I failed a few classes that I could have passed if I cheated, so take my viewpoint on this with a grain of salt.

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A Question of Ethics

Honestly I've never studied for anything ever, and I've been fine really.

I don't think it's super unethical to cheat on something you're pretty ill-prepared for (especially if you're just trying to get by). The thing is, "cheating" in school would not be considered so in other scenarios.

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A Question of Ethics

I helped people cheat, I cheated on homework mainly, I rarely cheated on tests(I didn't have to).

I don't find cheating an issue because I generally use the answer to reverse learn the topic(answering the question means I've learned something). So if I cheat, it's cause of my flaming urge to learn.

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RE: A Question of Ethics

(08-21-2014 01:39 AM)DoA Wrote:  I don't cheat. I don't care whether the situation warrants it, or whether or not its ethical - I find that there is more honor in hard-fought victory than in taking shortcuts.

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(08-21-2014 01:39 AM)DoA Wrote:  I don't cheat. I don't care whether the situation warrants it, or whether or not its ethical - I find that there is more honor in hard-fought victory than in taking shortcuts.

Of course, I failed a few classes that I could have passed if I cheated, so take my viewpoint on this with a grain of salt.

Hannibal took a shortcut and whooped Roman ass.
Surely he gets much rep.

Anybody who takes a shortcut doesn't have a free pass. I cheat on my homework but it doesn't affect my learning. I google search my physics homework, and in that process of cheating I actually learn the stuff I need to learn. I cheat on my math, and learn my math(did not apply to HS where I completely lost interest in math thanks to the teacher).

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Why?

Either they'll actually learn dat shit and be in a superior position thanks to their cheating, or they'll never learn it and get screwed royally in the long run.

Being revealed as a cheat and a fake generally smashes your reputation apart...though those who end up learning the skills are no longer considered "cheats". They just gamed the system.

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Meh. I cheat without regret. The ones who injected ethics into cheating are the teachers and others who wanted to stop what they think is cheating, making it compulsory to dig a tunnel instead of just walking past the hill.

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Saying schoolcheating is unethical is like saying dodging a punch is unethical.
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In my opinion it isn't unethical to cheat on a school test when you stand to gain nothing, like we normally do,, maybe aside from a letter printed on your report or something but that's not really something you can 'steal'. if you are cheating in order to get a reward, like money or to get a scholarship or something that's wrong, because you deserve it less than those who really tried hard. simply cheating on an average school test doesn't affect anybody else but you and is not morally wrong, but maybe a bad idea as you aren't learning the information, even if it appears to be completely useless, it may prove useful one day. but yeah i see very little wrong with cheating on the average school test, however i would not do it often.
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I cheat often on homework, and it often gives me an hour to read online or play an entertaining game. I really don't understand why some people are very bothered by the idea of cheating, it's pretty helpful and reduces the workload in general that students have to bear.

Many students I know of, including me, let others cheat off of their homework since they care about them. Cheating isn't some evil poison that will corrupt your morals and make you a parasite, since when is it bad to help others or to need help?
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Its bad since schools decided that whatever you get on a test is your life intellect even if you prove better on the next 10(and they illogically average it out...as if knowledge gained is decreased by knowledge not gained.)

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