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See also:

School Survival's Future - Discussion Thread
Hansgrohe's proposed solution to the School Survival dilemma
Forums back up (and on shiny new VPS)

Where We Are So Far

As Soul's "Forums back up" thread will tell you, we're running the latest version of MyBB, but there are a number of other significant changes:

- We have a Forum Helpers group. In terms of privileges and responsibilities, they're somewhere between regular users and moderators; while they don't have the authority to ban people, they do have the power to move and split threads across most of the subforums (with a few exceptions). Most active users are projected to be a part of this group (and many already are), with the exception of particularly malicious users, it seems.
- The warning system is currently disabled, though some remnants of its existence are still present (for instance, I can still see my own warning level). This is due to misuse, mainly on my part, but also because it has rarely been effective even when properly employed.
- An additional rule has been added prohibiting public conflict. Given what we just endured, no points for guessing why this rule is now enforced.
- Soul's retired, for the most part. xcrit should have access to all of the necessary administrative features and whatnot to enforce suggested changes agreed upon by the community.

Also, the "forums down for psychological maintenance" forum announcement is still up, but I would imagine a fix for that is coming soon.

Proposals

In Hansgrohe's thread (only visible to Basement Visitors), he suggested an advice/no-advice tag system for the Emotional Support and Venting forum. That thread also inspired other suggestions:

- An alternative means of settling conflicts. The details are rather vague.
- Separating the anti-schooling political movement (ex. SSN, Screenstorming) from these forums (which serve a different purpose), and offering more advertisement to that movement.
- Better social network integration. The details are rather vague.
- Elaboration of Emotional Support and Venting rules to fit the new proposed tag system.
- Hope. Nuff said.
- My proposal for "The Clubhouse", which is a large subforum dedicated to being the middle ground between the serious forums and the Basement. Proposal is to make The Clubhouse user-readable only (like the Basement) and to put General-Talk-like things (or even General Talk as a whole) in there. Additional subforums would be requested as the needs of this subforum are established.

Any further proposals, clarifications, or support?

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Not that I don't have anything totally against it, but why advertise other forums if this site's philosophical foundation IS anti-school? I also think that would confuse newbies maybe and probably wouldn't know where to go or stay. I see a lot of these other sites as subsets of SS and I would be moreso against trying to redirect traffic there – and that's the vibe I'm getting from that idea. I want to keep the community settled in one place as much as possible because with another that I'm pretty involved in there are a few divisions for it and it exacerbates the problem of our dying community. No one wants to come together the leaders want to remain the leaders of their division.

As for social integration, I personally think G+ is a lost cause. It's really not a mainstream forum and many people plainly just don't like it for reasons like it ruining YouTube and don't want to support it. We still have the SS FB group which I have linked in my signature, but that too is somewhat of a lost cause. Only me, Soul, and like 2 or 3 other people are ever active there anymore. Another form of the group called Beyond School died off as well.

I still think School Talk & Venting should be re-merged. TBH I'm not really a fan of all the 2014 changes.

As for The Basement forum, I think that should just be totally shutdown. That other group of past members I think have moved on after the indefinite yet temporary shutdown of SS, and it really serves no purpose other than a breeding hive for bad trolls. As someone mentioned a couple weeks ago, I think it also ostracizes The Basement regulars from the rest of the new gen regular community.

If SS is to move on from its dark past, I think it's time we let it go completely and make our point that this forum was meant to be a support group for anti-schoolers. IMO I don't think anyone who takes a more conventional approach like our detractors do IRL (parents, teachers, administration, etc.) almost to the point where they sound like they're boasting about the pro-school doctrine are welcome here. I apologize for being very blunt here but someone's gotta tell it like it is, and sometimes the truth hurts.

Ever since I joined this place was a safe haven for those who despised school and could rant about what they hate not just in school but about life as well, and ramble on about what they wanted to do with their life no matter how unbelievable or Farfetch'd it sounded. Some people want to make us rethink our way of thinking and that sort of stuff to fit the status quo, and when they do so sometimes it sounds just like our IRL detractors – they put it so bluntly or they stress that there's little hope in any of what we say even happening.

More than likely these individuals have moved on from hating school. They've been dubbed the "youth that betray youth rights and the anti-school movement when they get older". Maybe youth rights is pushing it but you get the point. It's pretty understandable because once you're out of school several months or even years later, you might not care anymore and that's somewhat understandable because when you grow out of school there's more relevant problems you have to deal with (like finding a new place to live, finding work, getting transportation, etc.). But what sucks is that these guys become one of those people who basically say "just deal with it," in one way or another. If that's the case, I don't get why they still feel like they can come here and think their new POV will be accepted.

Now I'm not saying they should GTFO because their new POVs aren't welcome here (well kinda sorta), but in the event that they happen to become one of these individuals who "betray" the movement maybe they should reconsider focusing on other forums because this place clearly isn't for them anymore. I think they'd save themselves a lot of trouble if they became active less or leave completely because if they shared their more oppositional POVs or with ways of dealing with anti-school without actually dealing with it they'd probably become more and more ostracized. They'll only get frustrated. Some of them may think they're trying to help but they're really causing more harm than good.

At the end of the day this is an anti-school forum. If you're for it, you're more than welcome to come and stay. If you have some agenda against us or our movement I think it's best you don't join. If you used to be for anti-school but have kind of fallen out of that viewpoint you can stay, but if it gets to the point where you might be boasting a pro-school doctrine then it's probably best you leave.

As for your Clubhouse idea, I don't think I'm against it but I think that middle ground exists in the Emotional Support & Venting and General Talk forums and maybe even General Talk's Philosophy subforum.

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Quote:Also, the "forums down for psychological maintenance" forum announcement is still up, but I would imagine a fix for that is coming soon.
Fixed. Razz

Quote:As for The Basement forum, I think that should just be totally shutdown. That other group of past members I think have moved on after the indefinite yet temporary shutdown of SS, and it really serves no purpose other than a breeding hive for bad trolls.
I like this. Archive it like the Frag Arena, and just move crap to it, but nobody can post in it.

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(08-19-2014 10:54 PM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I like this. Archive it like the Frag Arena, and just move crap to it, but nobody can post in it.

lol @casting out the outcasts

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Hmmm, I kind of hoped that we had already established that we should keep the basement as a container for bs. A lot of it is going to spill out which is then going to need splitting/moving which could be easily avoided by just keeping the basement.

I also support bringing the frag arena back, but one step at a time, I guess.Shrug

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The Basement is the septic tank of SS. Whether it is used purely for archive purposes or for low-content posts in general is up to Soul, of course, but no matter the purpose, we at least need it to filter out bad content.

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If there is to be a place for low-content posts in SS, just create a forum in The Lounge called the Chatterbox or something along those lines. Forums like that are were you can kinda spam whatever and generally post trolly-like material and is minimally moderated. Many other forums do this.

A Chatterbox forum wouldn't be toxic (or as toxic) as The Basement though. It would be like a clean slate I guess, and it wouldn't be a breeding hive for bad trolls.

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But the thing about the basement is that you have to be in the basement dwellers group to even see it. People that want to shit post can be in the basement dwellers group and no one else has to be.

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(08-20-2014 07:58 AM)Alistoriv Wrote:  But the thing about the basement is that you have to be in the basement dwellers group to even see it. People that want to shit post can be in the basement dwellers group and no one else has to be.
C'mon, you know it, I know it, we all know what the real purpose of The Basement is for. It's time to let go of that and truly start fresh. Get rid of it. I hope you don't mind me putting it that bluntly but if SS is going to make improvements it's time to actually carry them out.

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I'm so glad that you sound patronizing all the time, it's really going to help me agree with you,
/sarcasm

Go ahead then, get rid of the basement. I don't think it's a good idea, but hey, it's not my site and I could be wrong.

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If we were to get rid of the basement... now is not the time...

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Yeah. We should at least call pest control first.

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Soul, has the jury reached a verdict? We seem to be deadlocked.

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SirMarty, again you may not agree with me, but if we were to shut down Random right now, behold another shitstorm of epic proportions. Given what has happened over the last few weeks, I'd rather let things subside for now.

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(08-20-2014 11:41 AM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  SirMarty, again you may not agree with me, but if we were to shut down Random right now, behold another shitstorm of epic proportions. Given what has happened over the last few weeks, I'd rather let things subside for now.
I'd bet on that. How could the lock and closure of a forum cause a shitshorm? Usually if a forum or subforum is inactive or causes more harm than good it is closed and sometimes merged into another forum to lessen clutter.

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You underestimate how much some people here love Random.

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What DoA said.

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So this would cause people to quit SS again and another forum shutdown? Okay... lol. I even offered an alternative due to reasons I said in my earlier posts here but it's only a suggestion. Let's wait for Soul I guess.

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The Basement contains the bullshit, that's why it's there. Getting rid of it isn't going to make people leave the forum, it's going to make the bullshit spill over into the rest of the forums.

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(08-20-2014 01:38 PM)Alistoriv Wrote:  SirMarty, I'd really appreciate it if you would stop ignoring everything said and get it through your thick fucking skull that just getting rid of everything you don't like isn't some sort of magic solution.
The Basement contains the bullshit, that's why it's there. Getting rid of it isn't going to make people leave the forum, it's going to make the bullshit spill over into the rest of the forums. I honestly don't think this is a very hard concept to grasp, but I guess I was wrong.
If I was ignoring it I'd be switching the topics or something along those lines. I'm responding aren't I?

The Basement contains the bullshit for reasons that I shouldn't have to bring up because it's obvious as to why it exists. IMO for the greater good of SS it's best that The Basement be shutdown and replaced with an Off-Topic forum (call it Off-Topic, Chatterbox, Chaos Corner, whatever) in The Lounge.

If you want to create bullshit, go to a forum that condones it. Look at what happened to SS that it continued to allow it. Rolleyes

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...except that forum would be public.

People are going to do the same things they do in Random as they are going to in the theoretical new forum.

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(08-20-2014 01:52 PM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  ...except that forum would be public.

People are going to do the same things they do in Random as they are going to in the theoretical new forum.
For someone who disliked the direction the forum was headed and how it was being handled I'm surprised you're for something that exacerbated all of that.

If SS is to truly move on from the shitstorm that recently happened, I say nay for keeping The Basement and having it replaced with an Off-Topic forum that would be minimally moderated.

Now that'll be all I have to say on matter.

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A lot of the shit was going on in the Venting section, etc. It was more or less everywhere.

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So you want to remove the basement and replace it with.. another version of the same thing?


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Maybe we shouldn't replace it with anything at all. We know who Random is catering to, and if they choose to bring their shit to the other parts of the forums, well, the mods could always pull a me, and they'd at least know who to target.

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Don't forget that that has a potential to create more Duelix-like members that make a bunch of accounts and drive the mods insane. Shrug

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(08-21-2014 03:50 AM)Alistoriv Wrote:  Don't forget that that has a potential to create more Duelix-like members that make a bunch of accounts and drive the mods insane. Shrug
Duelix drives the mods insane? Nah. Maybe at first, trolls do always bring that impression but after a while it drives us tiresome than insane.

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Well I strongly stand by my decision, and I'm with DoA on this. At least indefinitely. For those who The Basement is catering to it'll give them more of a reason to leave us alone and then when they're gone in total we can worry about finding a suitable replacement.

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(08-21-2014 03:50 AM)Alistoriv Wrote:  Don't forget that that has a potential to create more Duelix-like members that make a bunch of accounts and drive the mods insane. Shrug

You say that as though it hasn't happened and isn't happening already. Hell, Soul herself is tired of the bullshit.

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(08-21-2014 03:50 AM)Alistoriv Wrote:  Don't forget that that has a potential to create more Duelix-like members that make a bunch of accounts and drive the mods insane. Shrug

You say that as though it hasn't happened and isn't happening already. Hell, Soul herself is tired of the bullshit.

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