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Statutory rape laws take consensual interactions and legally classify them as rape and have helped to create a culture where consent is rape anyway because some people don't like it.
Basically they are complete and utter bullshit and an affront to youth rights and freedom.
In that forum on Penny Arcade you will read some of the idiotic defenses of statutory rape charges against people they deem "too old".
One guy said a 17 year old consensually fucking a 16 year old is okay but if the 17 year old is 25 then he/she should go to jail. For a little anecdote at 17 I was much more disrespectful about girls and sex because I was raised with the conservative viewpoints. Now, in my late 20s I would be a much much better lover for a consenting 16 year old. I understand the nuances better and the importance of mutual benefit and pleasure and I also know how much more exciting and fun sexual contact is when both parties are into it and having fun.
This is ignoring that the poster doesn't seem to realize 16 is legal in many US states and most of the world in general. So he is advocating making illegal something that is legal.
Another issue is this literally insults victims of actual rape.
EDIT: To add, saying "well they can't consent because they are incapable of consenting so it actually is rape" is one of the most idiotic arguments I have ever read in my entire life and anyone who uses it is employing some serious cognitive distortions and rationalizations to support a moral view they have that has no place in law.
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(This post was last modified: 07-23-2014 11:54 PM by School.)
(07-23-2014 08:17 AM)True Strasserist Wrote: Statutory rape is rarely ever actual rape.
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"CONSENSUAL incest is not wrong. (Abuse victims: being abused by a relative does not make it wrong for others to have consensual incest, any more than rape by a stranger makes all sex wrong. Sex and assault/molestation are two different things.) An aversion became common in humans that aided in population growth as one disease couldn't wipe out the human race. That's not a problem anymore.
Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.
There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?
Some people try to justify their prejudice against consanguineous sex and
marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. Some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. It is true that in general, children born to consanguineous parents have an increased chance of these problems than those born to nonconsanguineous parents, but the odds are still minimal. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.
Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?
Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.
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(07-23-2014 11:47 PM)School Wrote: Statutory rape laws take consensual interactions and legally classify them as rape and have helped to create a culture where consent is rape anyway because some people don't like it.
Basically they are complete and utter bullshit and an affront to youth rights and freedom.
In that forum on Penny Arcade you will read some of the idiotic defenses of statutory rape charges against people they deem "too old".
One guy said a 17 year old consensually fucking a 16 year old is okay but if the 17 year old is 25 then he/she should go to jail. For a little anecdote at 17 I was much more disrespectful about girls and sex because I was raised with the conservative viewpoints. Now, in my late 20s I would be a much much better lover for a consenting 16 year old. I understand the nuances better and the importance of mutual benefit and pleasure and I also know how much more exciting and fun sexual contact is when both parties are into it and having fun.
This is ignoring that the poster doesn't seem to realize 16 is legal in many US states and most of the world in general. So he is advocating making illegal something that is legal.
Another issue is this literally insults victims of actual rape.
EDIT: To add, saying "well they can't consent because they are incapable of consenting so it actually is rape" is one of the most idiotic arguments I have ever read in my entire life and anyone who uses it is employing some serious cognitive distortions and rationalizations to support a moral view they have that has no place in law.
This.
Hidden stuff:
"CONSENSUAL incest is not wrong. (Abuse victims: being abused by a relative does not make it wrong for others to have consensual incest, any more than rape by a stranger makes all sex wrong. Sex and assault/molestation are two different things.) An aversion became common in humans that aided in population growth as one disease couldn't wipe out the human race. That's not a problem anymore.
Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.
There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?
Some people try to justify their prejudice against consanguineous sex and
marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. Some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. It is true that in general, children born to consanguineous parents have an increased chance of these problems than those born to nonconsanguineous parents, but the odds are still minimal. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.
Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?
Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.
Some say “There are so many people outside of your family." There are plenty of people within one’s own race, too, but that is no reason to ban interracial marriage. So, this isn't a good reason either. Let consenting adults love each other the way they want!"-Keith Pullman
Sorry for the bump, but Holy Shit I hate these laws so much. I want to freaking cry every time an adult goes to jail for consensually being with someone under 18. Who the fucking hell do the people making these laws think they are to decide when an individual person is mentally and physically ready to do these things?
Also, how the fuck is it completely normal and okay for 2 minors to have sex, but if one of them is an adult it is rape? So, it's only consent if it is between people of the similar age?
Most people I hear arguing for these laws make it sound like we are living in Codename: Kids Next Door and all adults are evil. Well, actually they describe it more like adults can be awesome people who we can befriend and have fun with, but they somehow turn into pure evil manipulative bastards who are "taking advantage" of poor innocent young people the second they fuck. What the hell..
They also ALWAYS say shit like, "But people under 18 are underdeveloped, and not mature enough to have sex."
Those people are negatively generalizing whole age groups here. All I see in that statement is an attempt make, "I think young people are idiots who lack rational thought," sound scientific.
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so my wife was 17 when we married. I used to imagine the exotic scenario of "oh, no no no officer, I got the forms right here!"
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My position still stands. Statutory/age of consent laws are steaming piles of shit. "Statutory rape" is rarely actual rape. Not to mention these laws seem to cause more media shitstorms than serve an actual purpose.
I've always leaned towards "free love", though definitely to a limit. Shit like NAMBLA is fucking weird. Plus I don't want pedos everywhere, though to be honest I'm legitimately curious as to whether statutory/age of consent laws have an actual effect, kinda like drug laws.
I read something about how people are more interested in doing things once they are made illegal. I think it was http://www.sophiagubb.com/obligation-vs-responsibility/.
Most people wouldn't want to risk it since the penalty is decades (I think) in prison. Though, others know it doesn't matter as long as you aren't caught. When I was on the Whisper app I mentioned that was 16 and I found adults attractive and I got immediately these messages:
"Nothing is illegal if you don't get caught"
"I bet you'd taste amazing."
"I love you."
"I'd fuck you anyway."
"How old do you like?"
"I love teens! How old are you?"
I doubt those people care. xD
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I wonder if the guy from To Catch A Predator would ever Whisper for the show.
(I fucking hate that show)
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when cultural prejudice by rule respects certain groups, some very odd people will be attracted.
a firefighter who went to my high school got put in prison for doing things with a baby....
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"oh wow he's a firefighter! you guys are so great by definition, i now love and respect you. you used to be so weird..."
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