He who shall not work, neither shall he eat!

[brainiac3397]

But then what if machines become sentient?

[thewake]

That'll be an improvement, seeing has half of humanity is barely sentient to begin with.

[brainiac3397]

Just a heads up.

If I live long enough to make it to a point where machines become sentient, I'd most likely join them and strive to become a bio-mechanical being leading the Machine Revolution against the meatbags of this planet to establish the perfect society. The Mechutopia.

Maybe I'll even become Mechagod.

[Absnt]

We're a pretty long way's off mate...

[brainiac3397]

Freeze me brain. FREEZE IT!

[SoulRiser]

I'm a huge fan of automating menial tasks. If eventually machines can take over all menial jobs, then if humans want something to do, they can do something more worthy of their intelligence.

I always cringe when politicians talk about "creating jobs"... it's a stupid concept to begin with. If something needs doing, there will be a job available... if something doesn't need doing... why make up jobs just so that people have something to do? That's backwards...

Yeah, poor people want money, and in order to get it, they need to do something... and yeah, most of these people probably don't have a lot of advanced skills to do more complicated things than menial labour (I dunno, maybe they do)...

But what's the money for? Buying food... so really, all they need is food... and we waste so much of that daily it isn't even funny. Set up some or other thing where they go fetch it themselves, and voila... they get to "work" for their food, and they get fed. And they can use the rest of their time to (hopefully) learn some skills so they can do something they actually like.

I want to give all the poor people in the middle of nowhere unlimited internet access for educational/income purposes... I'm sure some of them would do well on fiverr.com or some other online "job" type place.

[Ky]

The concept of "creating jobs" does seem rather dated; the United States, for one, is a nation that is dedicated more to ingenuity than the controlled markets of Asian countries, for instance.

If someone wants a job, they can start their own business for a guaranteed job (even if the business's success isn't a guarantee, which it isn't). So what's the problem?

The problem with that is how taxes are distributed and how regulations prevent small businesses from acting within a reasonable capacity while giving corporations free reign over local economies. There would be a huge increase in jobs if, say, the Wal-Marts in the rural middle of Midwestern states were to suddenly disappear and, essentially, force everyone to open mom-and-pop stores in order to trade goods (like they did before these corporations monopolized entire local economies). Corporatism has corrupted the system and changed the entire concept of what it means to have a job, and little do these corporations know that they're standing in the way of actual economic progress.

The current system is prejudiced against poor people, and the true capitalist solution works exactly as the ideal socialist solution wants to - removing that prejudice and encouraging wealth-generating trade among the lower class will increase the number of jobs, increase the total wealth of local communities, and decrease the gap between classes.

[brainiac3397]

The people should be creating jobs, not the government.

[Absnt]

http://forums.school-survival.net/showth...?tid=23736

Yfw talked about this before. I'll probably write more on it when not on phone

[SwiftEscudo]

>implying that corporatism isn't a byproduct of capitalism
>implying that the bourgeoisie wouldn't naturally develop a state and 'cronyism'

I'd really be curious of a true attempt at libertarianism in the modern day. Certainly not supportive, but curious. Parliamentary reforms like those attempted by Ron Paul and other libertarians seem stupid to me, since if they got into power, they'd just be the leaders of the 'corporatist big government establishment' and it'd be very difficult for them to change that.