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We need a Students' Bill of Rights.
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We need a Students' Bill of Rights.

Some rules about students' rights and things that schools can't ban. My ideas are:

  1. Students are allowed to talk in all cases EXCEPT: While a teacher is talking or testing.
  2. Students should not recieve any form of punishment in school. In the case of something against the rules that isn't illegal, their parents will be called, and in the case of something that is illegal, the cops will be called.
  3. Students may refuse to do work without having their parents called.
  4. Free speech will not be limited in schools.
  5. Students shall be able to do whatever they want during free time within legal and classroom limits.
  6. Teachers should not give busywork, or ungraded work given only to pass time.
  7. Schools cannot ban clothing or speech with certain views or words.
  8. Schools may not silence political views.
Those are my ideas. I wanted to include things about students not being forced to go to school, but if this ever went to Congress, that would be a red flag.

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RE: We need a Students' Bill of Rights.

9. Schools may not exist.

Hello, traveler.

This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.

Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"

Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.

People are allowed to change their views.

Nevertheless, this period of my life has informed some of how I am today. In good ways and bad ways. To purge it would be to do a disservice to history. Perhaps it will not make anyone sympathetic, but it may help someone understand.

If, after reading all this, you still decide to use the post above as evidence that I am evil today, ask yourself if you have never disagreed with the moral code you now follow. In all likelihood you did, at some point. If some questions are verboten, and the answer is "how dare you ask that," don't expect your ideological opponents to ever change their minds.
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RE: We need a Students' Bill of Rights.

(05-18-2014 07:52 AM)no Wrote:  9. Schools may not exist.
Personally I don't mind if schools exist, but it's just irritating that there are state and federal compulsory laws for school attendance.

There are people who benefit from schools, but I would say that's just a happy accident or a byproduct. I would say the majority just don't care and mostly go because their parents say they have to, but more than likely those that are opposed to schooling and don't want to go outnumber those who benefit from schooling.

There needs to be an option that after a certain age you don't have to go, and that neither your parents nor the government can force you to attend if you don't want to. I felt that after middle school I didn't need to go to school anymore, though it would be nice for maybe after going through 7th or maybe even 8th grade (a good compromise?) you do have the option to leave if that is what you wish to do. If you want to leave earlier you can but only under parents' permission.

I'm not sure but I just think compulsory schooling is unconstitutional. I'm currently reading about the 13th Amendment to the Constitution, and isn't compulsory schooling hypocritical of that amendment?

Read the Department of Justice's definition of involuntary servitude:
Quote:Refers to a person held by actual force, threats of force, or threats of legal coercion in a condition of slavery – compulsory service or labor against his or her will. This includes the condition in which people are compelled to work by a "climate of fear" evoked by the use of force, the threat of force, or the threat of legal coercion (i.e., suffer legal consequences unless compliant with demands made upon them) which is sufficient to compel service. In Bailey v. Alabama (1911), the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that peonage laws violated the amendment's ban on involuntary servitude.

Requiring specific performance as a remedy for breach of personal services contracts has been viewed as a form of involuntary servitude by some scholars and courts, though other jurisdictions and scholars have rejected this argument; it is a popular rule in academia and many local jurisdictions, but has never been upheld by higher courts.

Something to think about. I remember reading a thread on some other forum how compulsory schooling doesn't apply to involuntary servitude, but I say our movement on "anti-schooling" viably points out compulsory schooling being another interpretation of involuntary servitude.

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We need a Students' Bill of Rights.

Actually a bill exists.

I just don't think anyone follows it.

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RE: We need a Students' Bill of Rights.

(05-18-2014 09:21 AM)SirMarty Wrote:  
(05-18-2014 07:52 AM)no Wrote:  9. Schools may not exist.
13th Amendment to the Constitution, and isn't compulsory schooling hypocritical of that amendment?

Read the Department of Justice's definition of involuntary servitude:
Quote:Refers to a person held by actual force, threats of force, or threats of legal coercion in a condition of slavery – compulsory service or labor against his or her will. This includes the condition in which people are compelled to work by a "climate of fear" evoked by the use of force, the threat of force, or the threat of legal coercion (i.e., suffer legal consequences unless compliant with demands made upon them) which is sufficient to compel service. In Bailey v. Alabama (1911), the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that peonage laws violated the amendment's ban on involuntary servitude.

Requiring specific performance as a remedy for breach of personal services contracts has been viewed as a form of involuntary servitude by some scholars and courts, though other jurisdictions and scholars have rejected this argument; it is a popular rule in academia and many local jurisdictions, but has never been upheld by higher courts.

Something to think about. I remember reading a thread on some other forum how compulsory schooling doesn't apply to involuntary servitude, but I say our movement on "anti-schooling" viably points out compulsory schooling being another interpretation of involuntary servitude.
But the U.S. (and most countries) operate on the logic that children aren't full citizens.

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We need a Students' Bill of Rights.

Schools violate the Convention on the Rights of the Child anyway. If a bill of rights were to exist, under no circumstances would it ever be followed.

That is, of course, unless we can bring positive change to the system. I mean positive in a disestablishment sense, mind.

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We need a Students' Bill of Rights.

Technically speaking the US is not a part of the CRC anyway. We never ratified it. While Obama says he looks to do that, he has no timeline on that. Also the US only has two of the optional ones in effect. Thus the CRC's Rights for Children have no effect on the US at this time.

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We need a Students' Bill of Rights.

The Obamunist conspiracy strikes again.

Honestly, this proposed Bill of Rights is just simply at odds with traditional public schooling. It fundamentally goes against its nature, and a document like this would be ignored by administrators, due to the fact that it's a frigging Bill of Rights for students that goes against the grain of public schools. It would be more suited to one of those open, connected learning environments like Justin Schwamm over on G+ talks about.
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(05-21-2014 01:57 PM)Trar Wrote:  The Obamunist conspiracy strikes again.

Honestly, this proposed Bill of Rights is just simply at odds with traditional public schooling. It fundamentally goes against its nature, and a document like this would be ignored by administrators, due to the fact that it's a frigging Bill of Rights for students that goes against the grain of public schools. It would be more suited to one of those open, connected learning environments like Justin Schwamm over on G+ talks about.

I know it isn't rational, but it's some ideas of what rights students want from schools, and if we reached a broader audience through peaceful protest, it could happen.

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