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The issue over me not saying the Pledge has led to me losing a friend over not saying it. This is SAD. If you can't deal with a different opinion than your own, you are an asshole. She told me to move to Canada (I also have a love for Canada and hockey). You know, I actually thought I had met a girl who wasn't a complete asshole for once, but I was WRONG. DEAD WRONG. Thoughts?

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Dafuq?

Ugh, I really can't stand people like that. If you disagree on a particular issue, someone well tell you to "GTFO of my country". Well fuck you, I have a right to my opinion.

This was over the pledge. This isn't even a big issue.

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A lost friendship because you didn't want to pray to the damn flag. She was not a friend at all, friends let friends be themselves.

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I made friends by making fun of people who always pledged to the flag like patriotic idiots. Then the patriotic idiots who criticized me got "pwned/steamrolled" when I won a debate.

But losing a friend for such a silly thing is absurd. Thus, your ex-friend is absurd.

She should move to NK and pray to the sexiest man alive.

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I imagine you could find a way to twist "If you don't support our trooops, then feel free to stand in front of them" into an insult against her.

There is also "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

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"free speech under the constitution only guarantees the government won't stop him saying it and does not guarantee his right to say things and have no consequences at all as a result. also i completely doubt that he is motivated solely by "i'm saying it because i can" and is probably motivated by a more shitheady motive like "i think it's funny to annoy people and Rustle Le Jimmies™ and is just hiding behind the first amendment to try to deflect any consequences or make you realize that being allowed to annoy people is a superior moral right. you can still disdain someone for doing things for dumbarse wankery purposes and you have evne more right to ban and insult them for it" ~Trar's friend about Potato.

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My suggestion is predictable at this point:

Proudly start singing the national anthem at every pledge of allegiance as loud and as slowly as you can.

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(04-21-2014 01:47 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  My suggestion is predictable at this point:

Proudly start singing the national anthem at every pledge of allegiance as loud and as slowly as you can.

I'd take it a step further and make my voice crack throughout the entire thing and hold random words at random times.

"Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay can you seeeeeeeeeeEEEEEeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

And if the teacher yells at you, then tell them to get the principal and go right back to singing.

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I promise that they will argue that they thought you didn't even believe in saluting the flag, to which you simply need to say that your religious views may have changed and if they stop you from doing this then you will use your one phone call to get the media to the school instead of your parents.

If they don't believe you, then pull your phone out in front of them, and if they try to take it away just walk out of school without saying anything. Sure, they might send a cop to get you (if you have cops/rent-a-cops/security guards at your school...we had actual cops, but I called them rent-a-cops because that's what they were) and he can arrest you on bullshit grounds if he wants, but calmly explain the situation to him and make sure to include the fact that they didn't want you singing the Star Spangled Banner and I can almost guarantee he will be on your side.

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"free speech under the constitution only guarantees the government won't stop him saying it and does not guarantee his right to say things and have no consequences at all as a result. also i completely doubt that he is motivated solely by "i'm saying it because i can" and is probably motivated by a more shitheady motive like "i think it's funny to annoy people and Rustle Le Jimmies™ and is just hiding behind the first amendment to try to deflect any consequences or make you realize that being allowed to annoy people is a superior moral right. you can still disdain someone for doing things for dumbarse wankery purposes and you have evne more right to ban and insult them for it" ~Trar's friend about Potato.

Thanks for the diploma… can I have my childhood back?

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Epic!

Salute the flag AND sing the anthem.

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Salute the flag, sing the anthem, while firing a machine gun in the air, while wearing a baseball cap emblazoned with 'God bless the U.S!', while wearing a t-shirt saying 'hey baby, want to get LIBERATED?', and all the while still singing (bonus points if you follow up the national anthem by singing 'Heart of Oak' and screaming that you want vengeance for Pearl Harbor and 9-11).

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Better yet, to show support for the People's Republic's goal of world domination, get your iPod and start playing the Chinese national anthem!

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My advice will be more straightforward and moderate; continue protesting quietly. Don't say the pledge, don't mouth the words, and don't even rise for it. And just ignore your would-be friend - misplaced nationalism isn't a very good friendship quality.

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I disagree. You must dress up in camoflague with an American flag bandana and invade the school with your trusty AR-15 called Sally. All while singing My country Tis of Thee. Then release the students, burn the textbooks and fire the teachers. Then have admins bow down to your might and pledge loyalty to the New Free Republice of America. Then get shot by a SWAT sniper from the Tyrannical Bureaucracy of America.

Imprisonment and surveillance for all!

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Watch on YouTube

AMWEIFAcA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111

I mean, seriously. 'Move to Canada'? That's...I have no words for that. Not ones I want to post right now, anyway.
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Imagine others knowing my sudden love for the Soviet Union and it's ideology. Not saying it's a perfect thing, but the idea is what I like. Oh the Conservatives (basically everyone) in my area would have my head!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M

"When will the world listen to reason? I have a feeling it'll be a long time." --Dexter Holland

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows as government grows, liberty decreases. " --Thomas Jefferson
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(04-22-2014 05:30 PM)scorchededge243 Wrote:  Imagine others knowing my sudden love for the Third Reich and it's ideology. Not saying it's a perfect thing, but the idea is what I like. Oh the Liberals (basically everyone) in my area would have my head!

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(04-23-2014 12:36 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:30 PM)scorchededge243 Wrote:  Imagine others knowing my sudden love for the Third Reich and it's ideology. Not saying it's a perfect thing, but the idea is what I like. Oh the Liberals (basically everyone) in my area would have my head!

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Nice reply, Brainiac.

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Pulling a stephen are we?

Hello, traveler.

This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.

Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"

Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.

People are allowed to change their views.

Nevertheless, this period of my life has informed some of how I am today. In good ways and bad ways. To purge it would be to do a disservice to history. Perhaps it will not make anyone sympathetic, but it may help someone understand.

If, after reading all this, you still decide to use the post above as evidence that I am evil today, ask yourself if you have never disagreed with the moral code you now follow. In all likelihood you did, at some point. If some questions are verboten, and the answer is "how dare you ask that," don't expect your ideological opponents to ever change their minds.
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(04-23-2014 06:34 AM)no Wrote:  Pulling a stephen are we?

Though I support what is said in my modification of his post. Biggrin
(Actually I'm not fan of Nazism. Fascism to be precise would be my aim. But Mussolini Italy was not direct opposite of USSR)

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(04-22-2014 05:30 PM)scorchededge243 Wrote:  Imagine others knowing my sudden love for the Soviet Union and it's ideology. Not saying it's a perfect thing, but the idea is what I like. Oh the Conservatives (basically everyone) in my area would have my head!

I think I can help.

Can you explain on "it's ideology" and your love for it?
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(04-21-2014 09:37 AM)SeReNiTY Wrote:  The issue over me not saying the Pledge has led to me losing a friend over not saying it. This is SAD. If you can't deal with a different opinion than your own, you are an asshole. She told me to move to Canada (I also have a love for Canada and hockey). You know, I actually thought I had met a girl who wasn't a complete asshole for once, but I was WRONG. DEAD WRONG. Thoughts?
1.) I agree with you on not saying the pledge. It is horrible that she doesn't respect your opinions.
2.) Canada is awesome.

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