RIP School Survival Forums
August 2001 - June 2017

The School Survival Forums are permanently retired. If you need help with quitting school, unsupportive parents or anything else, there is a list of resources on the Help Page.

If you want to write about your experiences in school, you can write on our blog.

To everyone who joined these forums at some point, and got discouraged by the negativity and left after a while (or even got literally scared off): I'm sorry.

I wasn't good enough at encouraging people to be kinder, and removing people who refuse to be kind. Encouraging people is hard, and removing people creates conflict, and I hate conflict... so that's why I wasn't better at it.

I was a very, very sensitive teen. The atmosphere of this forum as it is now, if it had existed in 1996, would probably have upset me far more than it would have helped.

I can handle quite a lot of negativity and even abuse now, but that isn't the point. I want to help people. I want to help the people who need it the most, and I want to help people like the 1996 version of me.

I'm still figuring out the best way to do that, but as it is now, these forums are doing more harm than good, and I can't keep running them.

Thank you to the few people who have tried to understand my point of view so far. I really, really appreciate you guys. You are beautiful people.

Everyone else: If after everything I've said so far, you still don't understand my motivations, I think it's unlikely that you will. We're just too different. Maybe someday in the future it might make sense, but until then, there's no point in arguing about it. I don't have the time or the energy for arguing anymore. I will focus my time and energy on people who support me, and those who need help.

-SoulRiser

The forums are mostly read-only and are in a maintenance/testing phase, before being permanently archived. Please use this time to get the contact details of people you'd like to keep in touch with. My contact details are here.

Please do not make a mirror copy of the forums in their current state - things will still change, and some people have requested to be able to edit or delete some of their personal info.


Post Reply 
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
You Don't NEED to Go to School!!
Author Message
Illuzion Offline
Christoph

Posts: 157
Joined: Apr 2014
Thanks: 3
Given 42 thank(s) in 21 post(s)
Post: #1
Star You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

So I was chatting with a group of people and I brought up not going to school. They said if I didn't go I'd be taken away from my parents. I know this for a fact you can skip school. Obviously you might have trouble finding a job, but nonetheless there's no law saying you must go. The more you know. Insert a rainbow and some fucking unicorns.

-Illuzion

Have your regrets, but always stay strong from yours truly, Illuzion.
04-11-2014 01:30 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
James Comey Away
Banished Oldfaf in Exile

Posts: 6,500
Joined: Aug 2013
Thanks: 1079
Given 2293 thank(s) in 1517 post(s)
Post: #2
You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

What country do you live in?

I thought there was truancy police.

RIP GWEDIN
RIP URITIYOGI
RIP NIGHT
RIP VONUNOV
RIP WES/THEWAKE
RIP USERNAME

[Image: Nas-One-Love.jpg]

Stop jerking off to porn and whining and do something about it

Make School Survival Great Again - MSSGA

Hidden stuff:

[Image: BallsofSteel2.png]
[Image: mg_michelle_2020.png]
04-11-2014 01:34 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Illuzion Offline
Christoph

Posts: 157
Joined: Apr 2014
Thanks: 3
Given 42 thank(s) in 21 post(s)
Post: #3
RE: You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

(04-11-2014 01:34 PM)MichaelTownley Wrote:  What country do you live in?

I thought there was truancy police.
Not the US.

Have your regrets, but always stay strong from yours truly, Illuzion.
04-11-2014 01:49 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
tootsie_turtle Offline
Rebel

Posts: 43
Joined: Apr 2014
Thanks: 8
Given 3 thank(s) in 3 post(s)
Post: #4
You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

I don't know what homeschooling policies are, but your parents could get a homeschooling license and basically not teach you anything. But nice idea. If only...

Most of the time... when you're crying, nobody notices your tears.
Most of the time... when you're worried, nobody feels your pain.
Most of the time... when you're happy, nobody sees your smile.
But when you fart just one time...
Nutter
04-11-2014 02:11 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Illuzion Offline
Christoph

Posts: 157
Joined: Apr 2014
Thanks: 3
Given 42 thank(s) in 21 post(s)
Post: #5
RE: You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

(04-11-2014 02:11 PM)tootsie_turtle Wrote:  I don't know what homeschooling policies are, but your parents could get a homeschooling license and basically not teach you anything. But nice idea. If only...
With your parents permission you can get out of a lot of things.

Have your regrets, but always stay strong from yours truly, Illuzion.
04-11-2014 03:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Ky Offline
Shadow

Posts: 5,201
Joined: Aug 2012
Thanks: 1798
Given 1468 thank(s) in 972 post(s)
Post: #6
RE: You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

(04-11-2014 01:49 PM)Illuzion Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 01:34 PM)MichaelTownley Wrote:  What country do you live in?

I thought there was truancy police.
Not the US.

All 50 US states have individual compulsory attendance laws. So, yes, you are required to go, and there are indeed truancy police who will attempt to catch you if you don't.

And that's what really sucks about it.

Public Service Announcement: First world problems are still problems.
04-12-2014 06:23 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
James Comey Away
Banished Oldfaf in Exile

Posts: 6,500
Joined: Aug 2013
Thanks: 1079
Given 2293 thank(s) in 1517 post(s)
Post: #7
You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

I think another Canadian on here, Canadian Patriot, said you might be able to practically skip school. Not sure about truancy police in Canada.

RIP GWEDIN
RIP URITIYOGI
RIP NIGHT
RIP VONUNOV
RIP WES/THEWAKE
RIP USERNAME

[Image: Nas-One-Love.jpg]

Stop jerking off to porn and whining and do something about it

Make School Survival Great Again - MSSGA

Hidden stuff:

[Image: BallsofSteel2.png]
[Image: mg_michelle_2020.png]
04-12-2014 09:14 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Ky Offline
Shadow

Posts: 5,201
Joined: Aug 2012
Thanks: 1798
Given 1468 thank(s) in 972 post(s)
Post: #8
You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

Wait, did he mean the US doesn't have the laws, or he doesn't live in the US?

Public Service Announcement: First world problems are still problems.
04-12-2014 09:43 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
James Comey Away
Banished Oldfaf in Exile

Posts: 6,500
Joined: Aug 2013
Thanks: 1079
Given 2293 thank(s) in 1517 post(s)
Post: #9
You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

Pretty sure he meant he doesn't live in the US. Checked Illuzion's profile, says Canada.

RIP GWEDIN
RIP URITIYOGI
RIP NIGHT
RIP VONUNOV
RIP WES/THEWAKE
RIP USERNAME

[Image: Nas-One-Love.jpg]

Stop jerking off to porn and whining and do something about it

Make School Survival Great Again - MSSGA

Hidden stuff:

[Image: BallsofSteel2.png]
[Image: mg_michelle_2020.png]
04-12-2014 09:48 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Illuzion Offline
Christoph

Posts: 157
Joined: Apr 2014
Thanks: 3
Given 42 thank(s) in 21 post(s)
Post: #10
RE: You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

(04-12-2014 09:48 AM)MichaelTownley Wrote:  Pretty sure he meant he doesn't live in the US. Checked Illuzion's profile, says Canada.
Yeah I'm from Canada and the laws are a bit different. Now I'm going to go post about how fucking stupid it is we are forced to go to school (at least in the US).

Have your regrets, but always stay strong from yours truly, Illuzion.
(This post was last modified: 04-12-2014 12:28 PM by Illuzion.)
04-12-2014 12:28 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
James Comey Away
Banished Oldfaf in Exile

Posts: 6,500
Joined: Aug 2013
Thanks: 1079
Given 2293 thank(s) in 1517 post(s)
Post: #11
You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

I'll assume Canada states compulsory education but doesn't enforce it, which is interesting.

I actually came close to getting the truancy police on me (okay, maybe not THAT close) back in middle school, which was basically my nadir.

RIP GWEDIN
RIP URITIYOGI
RIP NIGHT
RIP VONUNOV
RIP WES/THEWAKE
RIP USERNAME

[Image: Nas-One-Love.jpg]

Stop jerking off to porn and whining and do something about it

Make School Survival Great Again - MSSGA

Hidden stuff:

[Image: BallsofSteel2.png]
[Image: mg_michelle_2020.png]
04-13-2014 07:24 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
James Comey Away
Banished Oldfaf in Exile

Posts: 6,500
Joined: Aug 2013
Thanks: 1079
Given 2293 thank(s) in 1517 post(s)
Post: #12
You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

Also, anyone remember this thread (WARNING: OLDFAF THREAD)?:
http://forums.school-survival.net/showth...hp?tid=477

RIP GWEDIN
RIP URITIYOGI
RIP NIGHT
RIP VONUNOV
RIP WES/THEWAKE
RIP USERNAME

[Image: Nas-One-Love.jpg]

Stop jerking off to porn and whining and do something about it

Make School Survival Great Again - MSSGA

Hidden stuff:

[Image: BallsofSteel2.png]
[Image: mg_michelle_2020.png]
04-13-2014 07:26 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Chanku Offline
Fanatic

Posts: 1,544
Joined: Jan 2014
Thanks: 60
Given 31 thank(s) in 18 post(s)
Post: #13
You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

Well then again Canada is...well Canada. Hell they didn't outlaw prostitution they outlawed the circumstances allowing it, but that was later overturned. So yeah, I think it's not enforced because(going on stereotype here, mainly for comedy), "Oh making someone do what they don't want to do isn't very nice, lets just not do it." (PS: Bonus points if you read it in the angry candadian's voice and more points if you know who I'm talking about)

Pretty Much my only signature...I'm mainly a lurker....you can find me on the IRC (or on DnE and their IRC).

[Image: USVWSwj.png]
04-13-2014 10:29 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
James Comey Away
Banished Oldfaf in Exile

Posts: 6,500
Joined: Aug 2013
Thanks: 1079
Given 2293 thank(s) in 1517 post(s)
Post: #14
You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

Rob Ford? He's a people's person!

RIP GWEDIN
RIP URITIYOGI
RIP NIGHT
RIP VONUNOV
RIP WES/THEWAKE
RIP USERNAME

[Image: Nas-One-Love.jpg]

Stop jerking off to porn and whining and do something about it

Make School Survival Great Again - MSSGA

Hidden stuff:

[Image: BallsofSteel2.png]
[Image: mg_michelle_2020.png]
04-13-2014 02:43 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Chanku Offline
Fanatic

Posts: 1,544
Joined: Jan 2014
Thanks: 60
Given 31 thank(s) in 18 post(s)
Post: #15
You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

No I was talking about the youtube person, "A Dose of Buckly". Heh he's a canadian and he's funny.

Pretty Much my only signature...I'm mainly a lurker....you can find me on the IRC (or on DnE and their IRC).

[Image: USVWSwj.png]
04-14-2014 03:56 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
xcriteria Offline
Fanatic

Posts: 3,090
Joined: Oct 2005
Thanks: 814
Given 930 thank(s) in 612 post(s)
Post: #16
RE: You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

(04-12-2014 06:23 AM)DoA Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 01:49 PM)Illuzion Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 01:34 PM)MichaelTownley Wrote:  What country do you live in?

I thought there was truancy police.
Not the US.

All 50 US states have individual compulsory attendance laws. So, yes, you are required to go, and there are indeed truancy police who will attempt to catch you if you don't.

And that's what really sucks about it.

I believe all 50 states also have exceptions those those compulsory attendance laws. You just need your parents to comply with taking care of the necessary reporting requirements for homeschooling. Then, as a family, you can figure out whatever approach you'd like (unschooling, the kind of hybrid connected learning option I think we could offer, etc.)

(See HSLDA's map for a summary of state-by-state requirements.[/url]

So, the problem is, how to market an alternative that parents will buy into... when so many see no path to success in life beyond factory-model schooling or similar approaches.

So, how can we build an alternative that would address parents' concerns?

That's largely what transforming education comes down to.

There's quite a bit of consensus that educators' traditional roles would be best transformed into coaches, guides, mentors, and experience designers in many cases. Traditional lecturing, assessment, and tutoring have their place, but the key is to assemble the parts of "education" into a form that works best for individual learners.

"But, you need X for success in life..."

What should people really learn for success in life... beyond finding and developing passions and interests... connecting with people... and learning how to learn?

That's a whole conversation... which has come up on some threads here before, but it's one to bring back up and develop into some more fleshed-out answers. That'd be a good topic for a some focused, recorded hangouts in the coming days and weeks.

Mike Trainum on G+ uses the term life-crucial information to describe things everyone should know, all over the world... including basic understanding of facts about health. I would add various things to that... but the way I see it, acquiring "standard knowledge and skills" shouldn't take up most of people's time.

And then there are the various life lessons (TV Tropes: An Aesop) that are often hard to "standardize" -- but they're an important part of figuring out life.

The key is, arguably, asking how to put learning as much in the hands of learners as possible, rather than forcing them to be a voiceless participant in an archaic system, amid the 21st century explosion of content and connectivity.

So, what about Canada?

I believe Canada works in a similar way to the US: compulsory schooling, but parents can opt to homeschool, which opens the door to unschooling, alternative models of schools, online and hybrid connected learning.

If so many people -- including parents and teachers -- are dissatisfied with school... let's create, promote, and simply do alternatives. Biggrin

The tools, content, and conversations are at our fingertips.

Peter Gray & allies launching the Alliance for Self-directed Education

ASDE Newsletters: #1 Announcement | #2 History of ASDE | #6 Education Liberation


School Survival & Catalyst Learning Network featured on AlternativestoSchool's blog
“Mom, Dad, can I stop going to school?”

Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking when the Stakes are High

Hidden stuff:
04-14-2014 05:28 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Rule_BreakerXVIII Offline
Revolutionary

Posts: 484
Joined: Sep 2013
Thanks: 734
Given 271 thank(s) in 168 post(s)
Post: #17
RE: You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

(04-11-2014 03:15 PM)Illuzion Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 02:11 PM)tootsie_turtle Wrote:  I don't know what homeschooling policies are, but your parents could get a homeschooling license and basically not teach you anything. But nice idea. If only...
With your parents permission you can get out of a lot of things.

And there another roadblock is hit.

Don't play chess with pigeons-they'll just knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut about like they won anyway.
-the Internet


Quote:May the days and months of flowing bitterness be rewarded...
To forget!?

Unforgivable!!
09-21-2014 04:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Evan92 Offline
Revolutionary

Posts: 212
Joined: May 2014
Thanks: 22
Given 69 thank(s) in 42 post(s)
Post: #18
You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

If your Canadian listen up, each province has its own individual school "acts". I know Alberta's pretty well myself from dealing with shit when I was in school. There is a difference between us and the yanks, our truancy is not a misdemeanour or a criminal offence. Our's is dealt within a community based setting eg. youth court in a non court setting, in this bullshit kangaroo court you will not face a real judge so punishments can't doled out.

However, they can and will involve social services if you are under 16 or 17 depending on the province. If your anyone in your house receives benefits or has had prior dealings with family services watch out. That being said I skipped school at least 2 full days a week each year throughout high school and nothing ever happened to me. It takes generally (speaking for Alberta here) 5 consecutive school days(not cumulative) before mandated reporting takes place and the school must alert the local agencies. If you live in a large city there is a chance nothing will be done.
(This post was last modified: 09-21-2014 04:55 PM by Evan92.)
09-21-2014 04:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
 Thanks given by: xcriteria
brainiac3397 Offline
Machiavellian Amoeba

Posts: 9,823
Joined: Feb 2013
Thanks: 20
Given 1983 thank(s) in 1428 post(s)
Post: #19
RE: You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

Is sending me to school worth an early departure from this life?
-badass sociopath

Personality DNA Report
(06-14-2013 08:02 AM)Potato Wrote:  watch the fuq out, we've got an "intellectual" over here.

Hidden stuff:
[Image: watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme-240x180.png]
Brainiac3397's Mental Health Status Log Wrote:[Image: l0Iy5HKskJO5XD3Wg.gif]
09-22-2014 10:37 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
xcriteria Offline
Fanatic

Posts: 3,090
Joined: Oct 2005
Thanks: 814
Given 930 thank(s) in 612 post(s)
Post: #20
RE: You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

(09-21-2014 04:36 PM)Rule_BreakerXVIII Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 03:15 PM)Illuzion Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 02:11 PM)tootsie_turtle Wrote:  I don't know what homeschooling policies are, but your parents could get a homeschooling license and basically not teach you anything. But nice idea. If only...
With your parents permission you can get out of a lot of things.

And there another roadblock is hit.

That's why it's so important that we work to help parents understand... including by partnering with allies like StuVoice and many of the parents and other adults I've found who are sympathetic to this problem.

The question is, what can we do to get dialogue going?

I went to StuVoice Live yesterday, and lots of people want to hear more from students about their views and experiences. By communicating with them, those who dislike school will be in a better position to persuade their parents in credible ways to look at other options.

In many cases, parents are mostly concerned about their kids' future. That's a reasonable concern, but parents often think about that purely in terms of "school-as-usual = success."

Maybe we can find ways to help parents and others look at things in new ways... that could help with that particular roadblock.

Peter Gray & allies launching the Alliance for Self-directed Education

ASDE Newsletters: #1 Announcement | #2 History of ASDE | #6 Education Liberation


School Survival & Catalyst Learning Network featured on AlternativestoSchool's blog
“Mom, Dad, can I stop going to school?”

Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking when the Stakes are High

Hidden stuff:
09-22-2014 12:17 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Superkamiguru Offline
Resistance Leader

Posts: 202
Joined: Dec 2016
Thanks: 770
Given 84 thank(s) in 52 post(s)
Post: #21
RE: You Don't NEED to Go to School!!

(04-11-2014 01:34 PM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  What country do you live in?

I thought there was truancy police.

If you can outrun them...

Hidden stuff:
"CONSENSUAL incest is not wrong. (Abuse victims: being abused by a relative does not make it wrong for others to have consensual incest, any more than rape by a stranger makes all sex wrong. Sex and assault/molestation are two different things.) An aversion became common in humans that aided in population growth as one disease couldn't wipe out the human race. That's not a problem anymore.

Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.

There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?

Some people try to justify their prejudice against consanguineous sex and
marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. Some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. It is true that in general, children born to consanguineous parents have an increased chance of these problems than those born to nonconsanguineous parents, but the odds are still minimal. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.

Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?

Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.

Some say “There are so many people outside of your family." There are plenty of people within one’s own race, too, but that is no reason to ban interracial marriage. So, this isn't a good reason either. Let consenting adults love each other the way they want!"-Keith Pullman

01-15-2017 04:05 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 


Forum Jump:


User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)

Contact Us | School Survival | Return to Top | Return to Content | Mobile Version | RSS Syndication