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On Saying the Pledge
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On Saying the Pledge

My teacher yesterday commented after me as usual refusing to say the Pledge.

Teacher: Is there a problem?
Me: No, I just don't say the Pledge, that's all.
Teacher: Then you shouldn't live in this country.

A teacher in Florida was suspended for saying something eerily similar:

“In my classroom, everyone will do the Pledge; no religion says that you can’t do the Pledge. If you can’t put your hand on your heart, then you need to move out of the country.”

She used public embarrassment as a weapon the way I see it. I understand she may have been offended, but that's no way to treat anyone. I don't care who you are or what you do. Yeah, I don't like terrorists, either, and I still respect the fact they have the right to a fair trial unless the government labels them a terrorist. Then they can be sent of to G Bay. BS.

Besides, it's free speech. Sorry Dale Carnegie, I'm sticking with free speech on this one. And if my teacher can't accept a different opinion and free speech, SHE should move out of the country. (ohhhhhhh)

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Everyone has a right not to say the pledge. Men died to protect that right, and it would be for naught if no one exercised it.

My allegiance is to this nation's people, not its "republic" or its "flag". The day I say the pledge and mean it is the day I worship the corporations, the demagogues, and the bureaucracy.

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04-10-2014 10:54 AM
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Personally, the more I said the pledge, the more it sounded like praying to the flag.

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You smile and scream "SIEG HEIL"

Or ask why she needs to pledge every day. Does she renounce her pledge the night before or something?

You only say a pledge once...stupid Murikans think saying it every morning is a good thing.

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RE: On Saying the Pledge

Quote:no religion says that you can’t do the Pledge

Matthew 5:34-37 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
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(04-10-2014 10:54 PM)timf Wrote:  
Quote:no religion says that you can’t do the Pledge

Matthew 5:34-37 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Yeah, the pledge is praying to the damn flag.

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RE: On Saying the Pledge

My school is moronically patriotic. It seems like about 25% of the students are in JROTC. Maybe it's less for the "lower" students but a depressing amount of the magnet students are in it...
And if you don't say the pledge, students will call you a "commie."
The teachers won't insult you but if someone is sitting down for the pledge they might yell "everyone stand up" in a shrill voice.
That said about half of the time I stand up and try to look like I'm saying the pledge but say "blah blah blah" under my breath, just to placate them.

Hello, traveler.

This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.

Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"

Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.

People are allowed to change their views.

Nevertheless, this period of my life has informed some of how I am today. In good ways and bad ways. To purge it would be to do a disservice to history. Perhaps it will not make anyone sympathetic, but it may help someone understand.

If, after reading all this, you still decide to use the post above as evidence that I am evil today, ask yourself if you have never disagreed with the moral code you now follow. In all likelihood you did, at some point. If some questions are verboten, and the answer is "how dare you ask that," don't expect your ideological opponents to ever change their minds.
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Instead of saying the pledge, you begin to sing the national anthem...like a boss.

Let them try to shut you up then Biggrin

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Better yet, bring your iPod and play this:


Watch on YouTube

or this:


Watch on YouTube

Walk out like a boss.

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RE: On Saying the Pledge

Just play this (or sing)


Watch on YouTube
Or alternatively, the original Soviet anthem.


Watch on YouTube

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RE: On Saying the Pledge

SCOTUS West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)

Quote:In a 6-to-3 decision, the Court overruled its decision in Minersville School District v. Gobitis and held that compelling public schoolchildren to salute the flag was unconstitutional. The Court found that salutes of the type mandated by the West Virginia State Board of Education were forms of utterance and thus were a means of communicating ideas. "Compulsory unification of opinion," the Court held, was doomed to failure and was antithetical to the values set forth in the First Amendment. Writing for the majority, Justice Jackson eloquently stated: "If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein." To underscore its decision, the Supreme Court announced it on Flag Day.
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Funny thing is, as a child, i questioned when my school didn't salute the flag...
Oh boy...
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i haven't said the pledge once this year, and it's in the middle of april.

no one has confronted me about it ever, but i have been quite lucky on getting seats in the back of the room. i do not believe in saying the pledge. i do not worship the flag.
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We don't do the pledge where I live, though I remember having to do it each assembly back in elementary.

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Once I got to like eighth grade I stood up with everyone else but just stayed silent and didn't put my hand over my heart. Speaking of that, what the actual fuck does putting your hand over your heart mean? In what way does that make the things you're saying any more sincere/otherwise? As soon as I realized what the pledge meant I hated it.

at some point I just stopped standing up, I got told something a couple of times, I told the teacher if he really wants to make it an issue send me to the office and we'll see who gets in trouble. They never took it that far.

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The old salute fell out of favor

for some reason
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Like you already said, I love how she contradicts herself or himself. You know, ignoring the right to freedom of expression. Gotta love education in 'murica. Do this or GET OUT! Mentality.
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The addition of the words “under God” was a result of McCarthyism, so there's that as well.
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