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nay.

you should never shut out advice just because you don't like the person without considering the content of the advice, because content is what's important, and ad hominems are useless. there was a peter thiel video where he said one of the helpful things about having a partner in business is to provide you with reality checks as you bounce ideas off of each other. this guy here is basically saying the opposite, "don't even listen to people who doesn't support your ideas." if you agree with him, you're obviously not going to listen to me. so i guess i'll stop wasting my time end my comment here.

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Umm, did you even watch the video?

Where did he say that?

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i was paraphrasing. and i watched about 75% of the video. and i'm glad if you don't agree with my paraphrasing

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RE: How Do You Handle Naysayers?

He made it a point to criticize that "ignore all naysayers" advice.

Certainly, a range of feedback can be valuable. Figuring out how to process it is the challenge, then. Not all feedback can be evaluated solely on the face of the statements people make.

It's often helpful necessary to determine why a person is saying what they're saying. And, it's often quite relevant who they are, what their background and experiences are, how they're cognitively modeling your situation, and so on.

Very often, naysaying echoes a person's dark view of life, a.k.a., Jade-colored Glasses. If so, they might still have something worth listening to, but it may need to be taken with a grain of salt. Other times, people don't even know what they're talking about.

On the flip.side, it's also worth being cautious about "yes men" who agree with everything, or provide biased or otherwise inaccurate praise or encouragement.

In your case, Potato, your responses to things are often skewed heavily negative for whatever reason. Would you agree with that assessment? How much is that intentional?

(All of this is relevant not only to interpreting feedback, but being more conscious and discerning when giving it.)

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Someone call for a naysayer?

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I'll let Jack Black handle that explanation:

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I heard that naysaying was once a respected career choice in ancient times. Good pay cause you had to be smart enough to logically disagree with the rulers decisions and opinions.

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