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I don't think we should end school.
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I don't think we should end school.

I think we should severely change it. Upon ending it, some would have issues finding a way to become educated. Some parents wouldn't have enough time to home-school their children, and would rather hand them over to a school which would do a better job. Of course, school should not be mandatory, and children should be able to make these decision for themselves.

So how do we ensure people are educated? My solution would be to make school fun, interesting and an overall good place to be for the students. I would go to school if I could spend a few hours a day learning, researching, going to classes I choose, and socializing. I honestly think this is the best way to go.

The reason students hate school is the tyranny of it all. I'm pretty sure they would willingly go if given the choice, and if the place was free. Even if it was compulsory, but free, I probably wouldn't have a huge disdain for the place due to it letting me take my own direction in my education. Not saying it would be right to be forced, but it would certainly be better if it was less restrictive.

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With respect, I disagree. The fact that it's compulsive is the reason for the mistreatment of students. Since the students can't leave if they feel that the environment is unjust, there's no reason for them not to fix the injustices.

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Rebelnerd Wrote:With respect, I disagree. The fact that it's compulsive is the reason for the mistreatment of students. Since the students can't leave if they feel that the environment is unjust, there's no reason for them not to fix the injustices.
Agreed, it should definitely not be compulsory, but it should probably still be an option.

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I wouldn't mind going if the work was decent and the kids weren't playing around in the muck.
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I wouldn't mind school if they cut out the bullshit.
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Alright, say we were allowed to pick our own classes, and research and learn what we wanted. I'm playing devils advocate here, but it is a pretty good question that is bound to come up.

What will ensure these students are learning and not just fucking around?

I realize there is an intrinsic desire to learn, but that probably won't satisfy anyone opposing this type of change. Should the state be able to mandate a base amount of education that the person must learn, that is testable?

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Psychoqueen Wrote:I wouldn't mind school if they cut out the bullshit.

This, and if the teachers stopped yelling at us like we're cattle just because they can, and treating us like idiots, etc.
If it wasn't compulsory and they treated us like humans and not babies, and we could choose our schedule, yeah. I'd go.

Like College- Only for all ages, non compulsory, and paid for by the govt. for a certain amount of time/number of classes.



Absentinsomniac Wrote:Alright, say we were allowed to pick our own classes, and research and learn what we wanted. I'm playing devils advocate here, but it is a pretty good question that is bound to come up.

What will ensure these students are learning and not just fucking around?

I realize there is an intrinsic desire to learn, but that probably won't satisfy anyone opposing this type of change. Should the state be able to mandate a base amount of education that the person must learn, that is testable?

No.
But you have a good point. My opinion is that if school ended, nobody would do shit because we're all sick of it. The whole hierarchy of college admissions and the high standards would have to end.
Parents would be distraught, because hey, school was free babysitting! Now they'll have to PARENT their CHILD! Maybe even TEACH them some things, like morals and how to be a decent human, instead of expecting the schools to teach it, which isn't and should NEVER be their job.
That's the main problem with things right now, is that people have kids not realizing what it will entail. Some of my friends' divorced and remarried parents, who yell at their kids every fucking day, are still having more kids. Seriously, people need to have one kid, decide how they're going to raise it, see if they could handle another, and then have another child if they absolutely can, not just because they want to! So parents have kids without knowing what they want their kids to get out of life, not considering anything other than the rat race of public school...
If people thought hard about what was best for their kids, and did some research, I think there'd be a lot more homeschoolers and unschoolers.

But anyway, after a vacation, I think people'd start going back, adults AND teens, to learn and get an education. Hopefully the schools would become a more knowledge and discovery based system instead of Going Through the Movements to Go To College/Get Rich.

I don't know. It would never happen. All I know is, unless my future kid(s) WANT to go to school, I'm not letting them get involved in that shitty rat race.

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It would still be a problem if the public schools are funded by money taken from people who don't even use the schools. If the funding is also voluntary (I mean, if you use it, then you have to pay, but if you don't use it, you don't have to pay), and it's for people of all ages, then I'm on board.

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Prince Rilian Wrote:It would still be a problem if the public schools are funded by money taken from people who don't even use the schools. If the funding is also voluntary (I mean, if you use it, then you have to pay, but if you don't use it, you don't have to pay), and it's for people of all ages, then I'm on board.

True, I'm just worried that it'll get too expensive like college (50000 dollars a year? And they STILL can't pay the teachers?)
But true, we shouldn't be taxed for something we don't use (even though we are all the time, but whether we should and it happens are two different things...)

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I know, about college, I wonder what they do with all the money, and then I see they painting the walls again and putting in new benches and trashcans and remodeling this old stupid house for the president to live in. And giving the "athletes" gobs of scholarship.

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No one ever said anything about destroying school, just making it optional.
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Absentinsomniac Wrote:So how do we ensure people are educated?

We don't need to "make sure" of anything. That is a myth. People learn what they need to learn.
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Absentinsomniac Wrote:So how do we ensure people are educated?

We don't need to "make sure" of anything. That is a myth. People learn what they need to learn.
Or they die. natural selection.

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Re: I don't think we should end school.

I kinda agree with this.

While I would love to see school finally be rid of, it simply won't work and won't happen in the worlds current state. Our best bet would be to establish our (by our I mean SS, NYRA etc) goal as trying to improve school, then people would take us seriously.
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Linki Wrote:I kinda agree with this.

While I would love to see school finally be rid of, it simply won't work and won't happen in the worlds current state. Our best bet would be to establish our (by our I mean SS, NYRA etc) goal as trying to improve school, then people would take us seriously.

Pretty much yea. I doubt we will be able to make school optional without a whole lot of other shit changing first. Although I agree, people would learn what they need to learn regardless of school.

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Re: I don't think we should end school.

Linki Wrote:I kinda agree with this.

While I would love to see school finally be rid of, it simply won't work and won't happen in the worlds current state. Our best bet would be to establish our (by our I mean SS, NYRA etc) goal as trying to improve school, then people would take us seriously.

Exactly, same reason Anarchy can't work.

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NowhereWoman Wrote:
Linki Wrote:I kinda agree with this.

While I would love to see school finally be rid of, it simply won't work and won't happen in the worlds current state. Our best bet would be to establish our (by our I mean SS, NYRA etc) goal as trying to improve school, then people would take us seriously.

Exactly, same reason Anarchy can't work.
Right. You can't expect people to engage in mutually beneficial exchanges. You have to force them to take care of themselves, or else everyone would just lay down and starve to death.

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Prince Rilian Wrote:
NowhereWoman Wrote:
Linki Wrote:I kinda agree with this.

While I would love to see school finally be rid of, it simply won't work and won't happen in the worlds current state. Our best bet would be to establish our (by our I mean SS, NYRA etc) goal as trying to improve school, then people would take us seriously.

Exactly, same reason Anarchy can't work.
Right. You can't expect people to engage in mutually beneficial exchanges. You have to force them to take care of themselves, or else everyone would just lay down and starve to death.

Well, it's just the fact that you can't change millions of mindsets to the point where these huge changes would work.

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Of course we should change the school system, the question is what direction we want to take it. Do we want to focus on giving students more of a voice in school policy, or just making living conditions better? I say the former. If students have greater political power in the education system, we can achieve our other goals in due time. But if all we do is make school nicer and more comfortable, students still won't have the freedom to make themselves heard and won't be able to do anything if things start to slide back into the way they were.

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NowhereWoman Wrote:Well, it's just the fact that you can't change millions of mindsets to the point where these huge changes would work.

Yes, changing people's minds is what you have to do. But you shouldn't just say it's impossible and give up.

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i wouldn't mind school as much if it wasn't full of dickheads
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booshpower Wrote:i wouldn't mind school as much if it wasn't full of dickheads

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Thank you for this trip down memory lane, Captain Obvious.
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Uh, no. It means people are gonna start bitching about me again.
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Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes." The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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Sociopath Wrote:Don't be like that, Raikuron Is eh pretty cool guy.
Coming from you, this makes me want to constantly insult myself and denounce myself as the absolute worst member of the forums.
10-14-2010 10:33 AM
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Laugh

The only reason I brought it up is because Rai takes it as a personal attack if a warn a new member of him beforehand, and will always say "At least let me fuck up first".

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