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[isolatedsystem]

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[James Comey]

I feel the exact same way.

In my history class we often have these paper assignments which are in chart form. The teacher is adamant at making the group copy down the exact same information. Then, we're randomized and we have to tell each other about that specific topic. It's so slow and boring. I hate it.

Heck, in that same class, we had to do a powerpoint assignment as well. We were supposed to each do one part, but I was never e-mailed the powerpoint to complete it (technical difficulties, according to the group).

I agree with the topic, I loath group work. It's my Achilles heel. Plus, I have a feeling that school group work may help lead to groupthink.

[xcriteria]

Actually working with other people on a real project can actually be a valuable learning experience.

The problem is, if it's mandated by school, and participants aren't really interested or motivated, that's not a "real project."

If there was a way to facilitate projects that were relevant to participants' interests, and perhaps some kind of meaningful output, that would likely result in a different kind of experience.

[brainiac3397]

I like working in efficient groups. Not many groups I've been in were as such. Most we're "Hey, who doing the work?" or "You just do x-y-z, and we'll stand here"

[TheCancer]

In the past few years they've started to insist that teachers put the students in groups and do projects all the time. I'm not even allowed to put the kids in rows if I wanted to. The way they make us 'teach' these days would have driven me crazy when I was a kid. I probably wouldn't have even learned to do basic math and write in today's system.

[safa100]

If We are working in a form of groups then that is lot of work has been done soon. Otherwise lonely we feel boring during the work.

[TheCancer]

Fine. I just think at least the teacher should be allowed to give the students the choice to work alone or in a group.

[Gwedin]

(02-06-2014 09:16 PM)safa100 Wrote:  If We are working in a form of groups then that is lot of work has been done soon. Otherwise lonely we feel boring during the work.

lolwut

[xcriteria]

(02-06-2014 10:07 PM)Gwedin Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:16 PM)safa100 Wrote:  If We are working in a form of groups then that is lot of work has been done soon. Otherwise lonely we feel boring during the work.

lolwut

I think the points here were:

(1) several people working together can (potentially) get work done faster

(2) working alone can be lonely, while working in a group can cure loneliness

I think there are times when both are possible. But, in school, these are often not the case!

@safa100, can you introduce yourself, and explain something about who you are, and your experience of school? Where are you from?

[brainiac3397]

1 is a horrendous misconception in my opinion. If a group doesnt properly integrate, they wont get any shit done and in fact be quote detrimental to the creation or completion of the work. Quantity does not make quality.

The first thing that must be established is clear communication between ALL members of the group. My anthro class group(for our final project) conversed using our gmail accounts(provided by the college) and had the presentation up on google drive where we could all access and edit(and use the chat function to actively work on it).

My CRW group barely emailed each other, and in the end one person really did the work(though we sent the slides we were responsible for). Still, we communicated and were on the same level when it came to the work.

Ive been in groups in HS where members either contributed crap, or just never did anything at all(even so far as to chat with other useless members of other groups when we gathered into our groups in class).

Its why "working as a team" is far more difficult than working alone, you need to know the strengths and weaknesses of every team member and learn to utilize them to their strengths.

And every team needs a leader(except when every member is in unanimous agreement of what will be done, but this isnt the usual case). Otherwise its just inefficient anarchy.

[TreyLina]

I never feel lonely doing work on my own. It's kind of liberating. Other peoples work I am either dissatisfied with or I have no idea what to work on. I would ask other people in the team what to do and then they'd say "go ask -other person-". Then they'd tell me to ask the other member I just asked, and it would go in circles until I had to ask the teacher, so they would make a way for me in the team to integrate. I get the feeling no one wanted me because they thought I'd do nothing, but it's not like I'll do anything more by just sitting around.

I remember pointing out spelling errors and people were like "shutup who cares" wow, well thanks, want me to sit in a corner and do fuck all? Teens seem to get so offended when I just want to help with spelling.

I'm not against the idea of a group project, but forced ones in school are awful. They're a mess because people aren't motivated and would rather get it done with than collaberate, so there's not much communication on who's doing what. There can sometimes be too much people, that there are too many members to check and not enough jobs to go around, so it just becomes a mess.

No wonder I hated group work.

Not related to group work exactly, but a teacher I had, thought of a (cringingly bad) idea of students reviewing and correcting each other's self-made leaflets. What was somewhat hilarious was the student "correcting" my spelling into mis-spelling, sometimes because they couldn't read it. The student also wrote I could've had better handwriting but the teacher thought it was fine. I think they simply sucked at reading joined handwriting.

[isolatedsystem]

(02-07-2014 09:39 AM)TreyLina Wrote:  I never feel lonely doing work on my own. It's kind of liberating. Other peoples work I am either dissatisfied with or I have no idea what to work on. I would ask other people in the team what to do and then they'd say "go ask -other person-". Then they'd tell me to ask the other member I just asked, and it would go in circles until I had to ask the teacher, so they would make a way for me in the team to integrate. I get the feeling no one wanted me because they thought I'd do nothing, but it's not like I'll do anything more by just sitting around.

I remember pointing out spelling errors and people were like "shutup who cares" wow, well thanks, want me to sit in a corner and do fuck all? Teens seem to get so offended when I just want to help with spelling.

I'm not against the idea of a group project, but forced ones in school are awful. They're a mess because people aren't motivated and would rather get it done with than collaberate, so there's not much communication on who's doing what. There can sometimes be too much people, that there are too many members to check and not enough jobs to go around, so it just becomes a mess.

No wonder I hated group work.

Not related to group work exactly, but a teacher I had, thought of a (cringingly bad) idea of students reviewing and correcting each other's self-made leaflets. What was somewhat hilarious was the student "correcting" my spelling into mis-spelling, sometimes because they couldn't read it. The student also wrote I could've had better handwriting but the teacher thought it was fine. I think they simply sucked at reading joined handwriting.

just like me :\ I prefer to do my work alone

[Rule_BreakerXVIII]

(02-07-2014 09:39 AM)TreyLina Wrote:  I never feel lonely doing work on my own. It's kind of liberating.

Yep, same here. I often have a completely different way of doing things, which most people cannot comprehend. This plus 5 or 6 self-righteous brats waving their papers with a 'good' remark on them in my face made group projects hell. Most often, i just sat out.

[LadyKira]

I like group work but it depends on who I'm working with, the assignment we're working on, and what class it is. In ASL, we have tons of projects that have group work sometimes. The teacher assigns one project after another project. If their assigned groups, I usually work well with the other people(Except if they are people who are troublemakers, really annoying people, or best friends then I mostly stay quiet). If we pick who we work with then I'm usually stuck with someone else. In English and Social Studies, I'm cool with working with other people. I also like working alone some of the time because I can concentrate. In Algebra, I like working alone but I don't mind working with other people. We usually do power points in social studies and we have to copy quotes from the book we're working on (and analyze the quotes)in English.

[Christian Hellhound]

I dislike group work, my partner(s) always slow me down by taking ten minutes to do something that took me five.

[James Comey]

In general I hate having to do some (but not all) things with groups. For example, shopping. I hate going to shop with my mom, or anyone, for that matter. I feel they just slow me down and go at a pace I don't like. In general, I like things when they go my pace.

School group work is the one thing I most loath. I despise it. I know I've said it before, but having to work on something where you're so badly disengaged with the subject on hand and the rest of your peers have no interest themselves as well is such a fucking drag. It's just a waste of time and nothing productive gets done anyway.

[safa100]

I prefer working in groups because we can easily done more work in less time.

[James Comey]

(02-10-2014 05:53 PM)safa100 Wrote:  I prefer working in groups because we can easily done more work in less time.

At least this vaguely makes sense. I'm certain you're not posting anything good around here, but may as well respond.

What kind of work, anyway? School work is so boring I honestly think it takes more time to do it in groups.