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The principles that school REALLY tries to teach.
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The principles that school REALLY tries to teach.

You know that school has certain principles they want to teach. They lie and say that they want to teach positive principles, and they lie about the principles they want to teach . Here are the REAL ones.

1. Competitiveness
They say that they want to encourage people to work together, but that isn't true. The reality is that they want us to compete more than they want us to work together. If you don't like working together, fine. But they also discourage leaving eachother alone. Why? Because it's good for business. School wants to raise us to become businesspeople because buisiness is good for the economy.

2. Disunity (what's the word for that?)
I know this girl who is a CRAZY Adventure Time fangirl, and she constantly is trying to make me, every other fan I've seen of a show that I like (You should know which one it is,) and every anime fan look like stupid fanboys and fangirls, but she's INSANE. None of us have really own anime/showthatwillremainanonymous merchandise or anything. We just talk about it sometimes. Yet she owns at least 12 Adventure Time shirts. She told the principal to stop me and al the other anonshow and anime fans from talking about it. Then, she was told to keep arguing then they will shut up. I believe this is all a ploy to make us all enemies because that's good for business, which is great for the economy. The worst part is that my school denies it.

3. "Deal with it" attitude
School just wants you to wade through everything instead of change it. I wouldn't be alive if people didn't try to change things (I'm mixed black and white.) Probably the most promminent one in society. You see, they don't want you quitting boring jobs because those are usually the ones that are good for the economy.

4. Unhelpfulness
My school teachers all have one thingn in common: They HATE it when kids ask other kids for help. They stop it by saying "he can do it on his own" even though he asked for help. Asking for help is bad for business because it takes time.

5. PESSIMISM
Once this one starts, it rarely stops (case in point: School Survival users.) They want to get you pessimistic about your future with grades. If you have bad grades, they want you to feel very sad and depressed to make you do better so your parents will stop making you depressed. This will motivate in your you because that's how the jobs that we want you to have work.

Yeah, they pretty much keep you learning negative principles about life because they want you to be ready for a miserable job that helps the economy.

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The principles that school REALLY tries to teach.

Schools should change to suit the students, not the other way around.
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RE: The principles that school REALLY tries to teach.

Competitiveness isnt a major probleem. The major problem is dirty scoundrel competitiveness. The "Hehe Ima ruin your chances and screw up your life because its all a competition and I must win!".

Taken to the extremely logical sense, a robot might say "Kill the competition. Thus remains the first".

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RE: The principles that school REALLY tries to teach.

@kfcnyancat, this is a good list, but I don't think that these "lessons" are good for the economy. Instead, the modern economy needs people who are passionate, motivated, creative and innovative. The economy needs people who can find their way amid all kinds of choices... and find or create jobs that work for them.

Just going through the path school prescribes isn't an automatic guarantee of participation in the economy... so the economy itself requires school to change.

In general, though, I don't think schools themselves are motivated primarily by considerations about the economy. I think they operate on the premise that graduation, college, and finding jobs is just how reality works, and that's it's good for you.

Have you seen Ken Robinson's animated talk, Changing Education Paradigms [12m]?

In it, he describes this disconnect.

The reality is that "factory-model schools" are based on a vision of adult life that doesn't necessarily line up with life beyond the walls of schools.

However, some schools exist, and more are being planned and developed, based on different visions. I've now taken part in 3 different MOOCs (massive open online courses) based on courses in graduate schools of education. They all talk about different, more student-centric ways to do education.

(The "New School Creation" MOOC in my sig is the latest one.)

Here's an example video from this course:



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You can see a theme that's common in many other talks. Schools need to change. The common model if schools people complain about on School Survival don't make sense in the 21st century. Many people are talking about this outside of schools, in more innovative schools, and even some of those who teach in "factory-model schools."

And yet, the common theme in school stories on School Survival is that of a meaningless, prison-like, "shut-up-and-deal-with-it" atmosphere, with no apparent path in most cases to even discussing the problems with anyone in school or at home.

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RE: The principles that school REALLY tries to teach.

kfcnyancat Wrote:they pretty much keep you learning negative principles about life

This is what Justin Schwamm calls "factory-model thinking." But, I don't think there's a "because" in there. The "because" isn't because of the economy, but because of the prevalent idea within schools, that this is the nature of life in general.

The actual economy does have a lot of people who don't like their jobs, but it has plenty of room for people to pursue passions and find work that they can thrive in. This isn't a story you tend to hear about in school, but it's just as much a part of the economy than the dystopian lives too many people live in... because that's the vision of life they absorbed from their parents and schools.

This blog post by Justin provides some insight into the problem:

Steps and Setbacks, V (July 26, 2013.)

Quote:Those Good Old Days, I realize, are a lie. They’re a lie we tell ourselves, like the lie about Better Times Ahead that will, magically and effortlessly, appear if we just keep our heads down, close that door, do that worksheet, fill out that form. Factory-thinking, as Seth Godin keeps pointing out, reinforces those lies; the factory appeals because it’s a “safe” place, because They tell you what to do, because there’s a nice safe salary, good benefits, and the golden shining promise of Retirement and Better Times Ahead. And in the meantime there are things to buy, things to accumulate, things to replace, neighbors to compete with. And don’t forget the vacation you might just be able to take if you’re lucky!

It’s hard to let go of the factory-vision … hard, but necessary. My great-grandparents would have been puzzled, even repelled by it; earlier ancestors would have been horrified; my own future grandchildren and great-grandchildren will doubtless wonder how anyone could have believed such nonsense. While Ms. X and other friends shriek in anger and fear at the death of the factory, there’s an amazing consensus building about what schools and other learning environments might look like in a post-factory world.

(Read the whole post for more...)

Justin, like a number of people I've met, wants to start new schools and build new learning environments... but the critical factor is often how will they will earn a living, and provide "credibility" that parents and students are so used to getting from school. (Graduation credits, college credits, and the supposedly-guaranteed path a place in the economy... or some alternative.)

So, it's a big puzzle. But, I think what we're doing here on School Survival is a step toward building a new kind of learning environment. Writing posts like this is every bit of a real writing project as something assigned by school, and it should be every bit as credible.

Figuring out why school does what it does is one tough endeavor, but in short, it may not have as good a reason as it claims. And there's more than one way to do learning!

(I'm thinking about how posts about what school is "REALLY" like for so many, might be shown to the educators in these "change education" courses... in a way that inspires them to think about these dilemmas and problems in the lived experience of so many students. What will their schools and learning environments do to "REALLY" change things?)

What do you think?

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(01-13-2014 03:00 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  1. Competitiveness
They say that they want to encourage people to work together, but that isn't true. The reality is that they want us to compete more than they want us to work together. If you don't like working together, fine. But they also discourage leaving eachother alone. Why? Because it's good for business. School wants to raise us to become businesspeople because buisiness is good for the economy.

I am very bad at cooperating, because I just automaticly do things when I feel like doing it, like a fast reaction or something, and I am always afraid that I do something wrong that would hurt the others in any way.
I never want to become a shitty businessman, these people suck ass. I want to be someone that actually does something good for humans in general, like psychology, or anything that can help society being ACTUALLY good.

Quote:2. Disunity (what's the word for that?)
I know this girl who is a CRAZY Adventure Time fangirl, and she constantly is trying to make me, every other fan I've seen of a show that I like (You should know which one it is,) and every anime fan look like stupid fanboys and fangirls, but she's INSANE. None of us have really own anime/showthatwillremainanonymous merchandise or anything. We just talk about it sometimes. Yet she owns at least 12 Adventure Time shirts. She told the principal to stop me and al the other anonshow and anime fans from talking about it. Then, she was told to keep arguing then they will shut up. I believe this is all a ploy to make us all enemies because that's good for business, which is great for the economy. The worst part is that my school denies it.

I really love Adventure Time, it is one of my personal favorite TV shows, it is really adorable, and I have met a lot of fans of it that are really nice people, but this girl?! What a horrible fucking asshole person...

Quote:3. "Deal with it" attitude
School just wants you to wade through everything instead of change it. I wouldn't be alive if people didn't try to change things (I'm mixed black and white.) Probably the most promminent one in society. You see, they don't want you quitting boring jobs because those are usually the ones that are good for the economy.

The economy can kiss my bloody, rotten, infected, contagious ballsack. All just unnecessary bullshit going around because fucking schools indoctrinate children who are still evolving, so they are easily to be manipulated. I have believed this bullshit for an extremely long time, but because of the growing knowledge I had of myself since last year, I have realized how much school is unnecessary and hurtful. As much as I absolutely loathe school, I have actually learned things from it, things that I know will never have any faith for, like religion, the media telling bullshit, and any other propaganda like that. Also, I have to mention that I absolutely love the word "propaganda" and whenever it is mentioned, so I can find out about more bullshit and laugh at it.

Quote:4. Unhelpfulness
My school teachers all have one thingn in common: They HATE it when kids ask other kids for help. They stop it by saying "he can do it on his own" even though he asked for help. Asking for help is bad for business because it takes time.

That is the problem with teachers: They think of themselves as the only ones who should help students, when in reality, most of them are no help at all. I know that I am a much better help for almost any person in the world than... well, most people.

Quote:5. PESSIMISM
Once this one starts, it rarely stops (case in point: School Survival users.) They want to get you pessimistic about your future with grades. If you have bad grades, they want you to feel very sad and depressed to make you do better so your parents will stop making you depressed. This will motivate in your you because that's how the jobs that we want you to have work.

Pessimism is just my second name. I have mentioned that school is like the #1 source of almost all of my depressions and disorders, in addition to some other things I can not really name. But I will be very honest: The fact that I have so much pessimism and depression makes me feel like a strong person, I never actually see those as bad things, I see them as a wonderful trait in me, they make me feel like a stronger person than most people are. I am skeptical about almost all things and I am afraid of almost any kind of harm that could happen to someone, yet I give no shit about myself. In fact, I have already mentioned that I feel the strongest when I feel like no one loves me and I feel completely forgotten. It makes me unusually feel really powerful. In fact, I have so little faith in literally anything, that I am almost invincible when alone, not physical of course, but psychically.
I am a strange person, but I am very happy that I am like that, and I will never, FUCKING NEVER change myself for a different person. To those people who think they can tell people what to do, to those I say "fuck you" and show my golden middle finger to them.
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(01-13-2014 03:03 AM)Symbol Wrote:  Schools should change to suit the students, not the other way around.

their pee should hv been shot out like a ki blast breaking the rocks

oh and also No one has any rights. We're free, rights create invisible restrictions. But we live in a society where the majority accepts rights to be true.
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