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Ageism on reddit!!!!!!

Do you want to call out Ageism on Reddit? I know I do.

All you have to do is visit my Subreddit: Shit Ageists Say and you too can circle jerk in the glory of calling out annoying ageists and intelligently dismantling their ageist arguments! Here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/shitageistssay/

So far I posted one link and so far I have two down votes on it and one upvote (my own) bahahahahahahahaahahahaha

I created the subreddit because I was arguing with people about the "myth of the teen brain" and about compulsory education and the banning of children and youth in general from working. Also the public shaming of a young girl because apparently her parents caught her bullying. Of which no evidence is given we are just supposed to assume she was being a bully and jerk off/finger her parents because they are so cool they can publicly shame and steal from a young girl the law gives them complete power over.
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I don't want to know, and I don't want to get involved. This sounds like a noble cause, but an immature tactic.

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While it sounds noble, Reddit is well...Reddit.

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RE: Ageism on reddit!!!!!!

Reddit...... yeah.

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Reddit will cause the next revolution, I tell ya.
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Ah but read the rules DOA. I do not want it to be unintelligent. I want people to legitimately comment why it is ageist and why that is bad. (seems I already broke that rule hahahaha I will be amending this soon) Chanku, I like Reddit for lesser known subreddits. I stay out of the main reddits usually. Still ageism is relatively prevalent with few people opposing it. Gwedin Reddit probably won't hahahahahaha but still I'm sick of the "Teen Brain Studies" being touted as some causational research that means people need to jam teens in schools and make them listen to adults.
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To be honest the Term, adult has no actual meaning, just one projected onto it by society. The period in which one becomes an adult is arbitrarily set by the people in charge, just like the way people act when normal is used. Adult used to be 13+, but has since changed. However to be honest calling someone a Child or Adult is just another label that is arbitrarily defined by people. When does one become an adult, or a teen, or a tween, or a child, or a toddler? While age groups are agreed to define a certain group, the age groups, ranges, and terms may change or disappear.


However I just felt like saying that. Even though it does not add anything to the conversation at hand, in my opinion. However I do like reddit for some sub-reddits, as they can be fun.

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The thing about rules is, they work best on paper. Guidelines won't do you near as much good as precedent.

And you've got precedent working against you, because...I mean, come on! This is reddit we're talking about.

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Chanku I agree completely!

DoA well I am setting a good precedent on my own Subreddit and you guys here can help set that precedent in stone.

Reddit has some good subreddits... that police themselves very well and are nothing like the main subreddits.
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Adult has a meaning biologically speaking. Unfortunately science is something the general public will never really learn to understand.

So much for a technocratic society...

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I prefer racism and sexism, but ageism is cool too.

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Shutup nigger you should be slaving away in the kitchen in preparation for the day when you marry a farmer.
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RE: Ageism on reddit!!!!!!

(01-09-2014 03:29 PM)Gwedin Wrote:  Shutup nigger you should be slaving away in the kitchen in preparation for the day when you marry a farmer.

Precisely.

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nvm
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Alright well if you guys don't have an interest that's fine. I'm gonna keep being active whenever I come across something that particularly pisses me off. You're free to join (downvote or upvote I don't care)
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You're missing something. Something crucial.

Ageism against young people is certainly a problem, and a problem that's not really been given terribly much focus by society. Not yet, anyway.

But ageism is also a problem for senior citizens as well. It's certainly got a bit more attention from what I've seen.

If your subreddit takes off, you'll have to expect posts about old people. If they don't post elsewhere when they see that it's geared towards younger people.

And...this is reddit. Some subreddits can be good places with good stuff, but some...are not. I'm talking horseshit-grade misogyny and abuse here.

Finally, if you really want to spark discussion, you'd do well to either join a larger, pre-existing group or re-gear your group towards a more discussion-oriented area and do some promotion.

Good luck nonetheless! You may just need it.
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I felt like bringing this back. :u

@MoFuckinBananas: I looked at a bunch of your reddit comments and a lot of your points made so much sense.
I was then disturbed to see that your posts that I agreed with most/ made the most logical sense were the ones with the most negative votes. It seems like some of the people were against your ideas only because they are not typical- like you just must be wrong because they are different than the opposing ideas they've encountered their whole lives.

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We should bring this subreddit back.

Back then I hardly cared much about Reddit. Now I'm a Reddit fanatic. Huh.

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I deleted my Reddit account because it's just an asshole-hub. I deleted my Voat account too for the same reason.
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Everyone's thought on this? https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/commen...rold_maid/


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[–]fencerman 7 points 3 years ago

Children working is. not. bad.

Yes, it is, and I don't particularly care if you're referring to kids in the developed or developing world.

They have no means of asserting their rights in the workplace, get put into situations of exploitation (either economic, physical or sexual), and get deprived of the ability to focus on education and personal development, which are worth much more to themselves and the overall economy in the long run. It's bad for the children, bad for their families and bad for society and the economy as a whole.

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[–]MoFuckinBananas -3 points 3 years ago*

Incorrect. I assert forcing the child to do something is bad. Whether forcing them to work or forcing them into compulsory education. However something agreed upon between the child and his/her caretakers is best. While working you do learn, you do develop personally and socially.

Please tell me how a poor family in the ghetto will benefit from the atrocious public schooling over working within a family business or working to help provide money for the family.

Banning from work is restricting their rights that you say you want them to be able to assert.

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. I assert forcing the child to do something is bad.

then you're dumber than a giant bag of hammers.

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[–]MoFuckinBananas 0 points 3 years ago

Intelligent rebuttal! Yes this will really cause me to rethink my views.

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[–][deleted] 3 points 3 years ago

I don't want you to re-think your views, I don't measure you have enough flexibility to do so, ideologues rarely do. I don't care about intelligent rebuttals because your views are so marginal and destructive, they'll never see the light of day again.

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[–]MoFuckinBananas 0 points 3 years ago

Thanks I really needed to read that Smile

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[–]fencerman 11 points 3 years ago

I assert forcing the child to do something is bad.

Children have little to no choice in most things they do, whether it's education, work, eating their vegetables or going to bed on time. They're in a position of trust and aren't capable of making life-changing decisions for themselves at that age. They don't have any information, foresight or understanding of their own long-term self interests.

Whether forcing them to work or forcing them into compulsory education. However something agreed upon between the child and his/her caretakers is best. While working you do learn, you do develop personally and socially.

There is a world of difference between attending school and being a domestic worker or sewing together shirts for ten cents an hour. That kind of labour will absolutely never replace any kind of education and will not lead to any personal or social development that is comparable to attending school.

Children are not capable of "negotiating" with anyone, because they are entirely dependant on other people for sustenance and guidance. It's insane to consider a child anything remotely similar to an informed adult when it comes to making life choices and asserting their rights against people they depend on.

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[–]MoFuckinBananas -2 points 3 years ago

Crazy how you talk about a child's "rights" but when it is something you don't agree with suddenly the child's "rights" don't matter as long as they do what you think they should be doing. Typical of most child "rights" advocates.

Children have little to no choice in most things they do, whether it's education, work, eating their vegetables or going to bed on time.

Children are offered little choice but they should be given more choice and control over their lives.

They're in a position of trust

This is literally because they are physically weak as well as legally barred from ever caring for themselves even at the ages when a human can from12 and up. Please don't use American kids as an example that kids "can't take care of themselves they are soooo immature" because adults in most western countries raise kids to develop this way.

aren't capable of making life-changing decisions for themselves at that age

What age and what decisions? This is so vague I can't even comment on it. Working? Where they can quit whenever they want? Hardly life changing. School? Where they are forced to be no matter what legally? Yes life changing. Oh but you support that one because it doesn't offend your sensibilities.

There is a world of difference between attending school and being a domestic worker or sewing together shirts for ten cents an hour.

These are the only two options? School or sweatshop labor? Way to make a strawman.

That kind of labour will absolutely never replace any kind of education and will not lead to any personal or social development that is comparable to attending school.

Oh I agree. No child would want to work that job thus forcing them to would be a violation of rights and punishable.

Children are not capable of "negotiating" with anyone, because they are entirely dependant on other people for sustenance and guidance.

I wonder how many kids you interact with and how much you interact with them because this is a completely false statement. Oh and look back to my "forcing them into this position" point.

It's insane to consider a child anything remotely similar to an informed adult when it comes to making life choices and asserting their rights against people they depend on.

You talk about their rights but then say they can not make choices and other people must assert their rights for them, thus they are not their rights and you should just come out and admit you feel children have no rights and should be doing what you think is best for them.

Also... very general.. life choices? What are they? How permanent? Does it even hold weight like you are claiming?

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[–]fencerman 9 points 3 years ago

Oh for fuck's sake, where do you even get this retarded bullshit?

You realize we're talking about a 10 year old child being used full time to scrub pots and clean up after someone, who was BEATEN TO DEATH on the job? Yeah, kids are less capable of standing up for themselves. That's not a contentious statement to make if you've been paying attention.

Please don't use American kids as an example that kids "can't take care of themselves they are soooo immature" because adults in most western countries raise kids to develop this way.

It's cute that your entire argument depends on you saying "please ignore all your experience with every child you have ever interacted with in your life, as well as all the research and statistics related to them".

Sadly for you I do know firsthand that argument is bullshit. Kids overseas aren't any different than kids in north america, aside from being more frequently deprived. Anything you can say about the one group is equally true about the others. Forcing children to care for themselves at a young age is TRAUMATIZING AS HELL - you're pretty much ruining their lives and their futures by depriving them of basic childhood experiences (education, play, socializing time, etc...) - experiences that are common and aspired to by children and parents alike, because they lead to healthy and productive lives.

The argument you're making depends on a 100% fantasy scenario that does not exist now, nor has it ever existed anywhere now or before in history, and you can't even articulate how it would work in practice, but you just assert it's "morally right" based on some principle you read somewhere and don't fully understand.

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[–]MoFuckinBananas -6 points 3 years ago

My point was not to be reactionary like the progressives of the late 1800s early 1900s. The problem wasn't kids working, it was kids being abused which is a problem in any system. Companies would pay off state investigators to prevent abuses from being told. Also, notice that adults and children were being abused at this time thanks to crony capitalism. However instead of alleviating those abuses like they did for adults they just banned children outright and forced them into government indoctrination institutions.

It's cute that your entire argument depends on you saying "please ignore all your experience with every child you have ever interacted with in your life, as well as all the research and statistics related to them".

Your experience is anecdotal as I have found kids to be very capable especially after the ages of 8 or 9 however they are held back by people like you who insist that holding them back from proper development is good for them.

Sadly for you I do know firsthand that argument is bullshit. Kids overseas aren't any different than kids in north america, aside from being more frequently deprived.

Ha thanks for admitting you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Brain studies show the brain needs to be used to develop. Frontal lobe development is held back starting from an early age which is why for western children they can be so immature and bad at making decisions much longer than their non-coddled counterparts.

Forcing children to care for themselves at a young age is TRAUMATIZING AS HELL - you're pretty much ruining their lives and their futures by depriving them of basic childhood experiences - experiences that are common and aspired to by children and parents alike, because they lead to healthy and productive lives.

Another strawman. You are the one who has been promoting forcing kids to do things. I am offering choice with respects to the child and their rights.

The argument you're making depends on a 100% fantasy scenario that does not exist now, nor has it ever existed anywhere now or before in history and you can't even articulate how it would work in practice, but you just assert it's "morally right" based on some principle you read somewhere and don't fully understand.

....................................

and we're done here.

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[–]fencerman 4 points 3 years ago

and we're done here.

Yeah, you were done from the beginning. Absolutely nothing you've said here is even remotely true, you have no evidence whatsoever, and no solutions for anything you've claimed is a problem.

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[–]permanomad -3 points 3 years ago

... as oppose to you who fired off strawmen everywhere to bolster your pre-packaged argument, slung in the ad hominems, and finally capped it off with some pretty cheap cursing for extra 'clout'.

Well done Wink

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[–]fencerman 9 points 3 years ago

Again, not a single thing you said is remotely close to being true. I see the libertarian brigade is rallying, but a circlejerk isn't evidence.

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MoFuckingBannas You're clearly the only sane person there,yet all your comments are downvoted to hell.....

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oh and also No one has any rights. We're free, rights create invisible restrictions. But we live in a society where the majority accepts rights to be true.
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That's what I thought when I looked at her comments. She gets -6 while the person with the worst arguments gets +9..
Humans sometimes...

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Check the subreddit.

It's r/worldnews.

That place is a shithole.

But anyway if you guys are seriously expecting middle school children to somehow be competent at good jobs than you're highly mistaken.

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Citation needed.

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I wish MoFuckinBananas was still here. I share a lot of the ideas he commented on Reddit.
I'm still scrolling through the comments. ~So many pages~

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His/her email is on the profile.

Perhaps it's still in use.

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