I'm branching this discussion from
DoA's One-Stop Psych Shop about walls of text, creativity, and related topics.
In summary, I posted several walls of content about psychology, therapy, and the like. vonunov posted a comment distinguishing "walls of text" from long, well-structured posts. This led to a further discussion about creative addiction vs. stagnation, and different forms of writing.
(See that thread for the details.)
Now I'll respond to vonunov's last comment there:
(12-29-2013 08:05 AM)vonunov Wrote: xcriteria:
I think one of the more important parts of the Wikipedia article on hypergraphia is where it mentions that "most patients do not write things with substance." It mentions such things as writing pre-existing content repeatedly, and going into extreme detail in description of dreams, the day's events, and surroundings. Is this the sort of thing you've done? I'm not sure what you mean by word lists, if they were done just for the sake of writing or for a purpose, etc. In any case, exactly what it is isn't as important as whether it gets in the way of your life.
I could upload photos of some of it, but basically it doesn't really fit the definition of hypergraphia. It doesn't look like it has substance, but the substance to me was mostly in the process of following the creative impulse and trying to write
something, even if incoherent... in search of something substantive.
In 2011, I did quite a bit of that, and the writing evolved into arranging papers, books, and the like and photographing them. I was basically trying to find ways to produce maps of knowledge or information.
Those photographs of physical layouts evolved into totally computer-based layouts, where I just took screen caps of book covers, YouTube videos, titles of articles, autobiographical details, and so on. It was rough, and strange, but I found it interesting, and I kept trying to evolve the process.
Over time, I started making very large layouts, as well as writing text where I tried to explain them. But, by mid-to-late 2012, I started finally succeeding at another goal, connecting with a wider circle of people online, who were interested in all this transformation of education stuff. And, I started focusing more on those interactions.
But, I wrote a lot of long comments that were pushing the bounds of FB and G+. One of the people I'd met through G+, Mark Poole, introduced me to
Rizzoma, a collaborative editing platform based on code from the discontinued Google Wave. This gave me lots of space to "play" with writing extremely long lengths of text-and-content, and Mark was able to find worthwhile bits in all of that, as well as produce his own.
Between that and my interactions on G+, I think I improved the coherence of my writing, and I also built up confidence that some of what I was putting together was worth sharing. I started posting more long replies on School Survival as 2013 played out, and as in other places, that generated a mix of responses from people.
During the summer of 2013, I started making a few layouts again, but I used a new platform,
Prezi, instead of Illustrator. This allowed me to actually embed videos, and I had more material to work with, including the various conversations I was having on G+ and elsewhere. (Here's one
example of a large Prezi I started putting together, attempting to map out various bits of content, concepts, and conversations.)
But, just like with long text-and-content posts, or even worse, the layouts tend to overwhelm people. But, the way I see it, most of my experience with school and trying to learn has involved a lot of time when I didn't have much new, substantial learning going on. And all of these efforts, from writing random lists of words that come to mind, to producing complex layouts, to writing large lengths of text, are partly motivated by a desire to
build better learning environments, that are more signal and less noise.
A key part if this, though, is that for most of my life, I found it hard to have the creative spark to do any of this, except at rare moments.
(12-29-2013 08:05 AM)vonunov Wrote: I don't have much to say about this, and I think the reason is that I'm in the opposite position to that described in the video. I don't have anything that pulls me out of bed in the morning, at least until I would feel worse for staying in bed any longer. I want that, though. I want something that makes me lose sleep, stop talking to people, forget to eat, and jeopardize my career (and I don't mean meth). It would even be nice if it were worth it, but honestly, I just want that hunger again. I have just landed a job, though, so I might soon find myself without so much time to feel aimless.
Yeah, I can relate. At many points in my life, I've wanted that hunger, motivation, and flow, but haven't had it. Sometimes video games have provided something like it, but my interest has always faded out, and it's not the same as creating or just doing something out in the world.
All that is a long story, but basically, in 2010-2011, I got caught up in a complex programming project and related startup company (just two people) building a student information system for a charter school. As that all fall apart in 2011, and I was starting to find so many more people talking about what's wrong with factory-model schools, I had long periods of free time, major life problems and uncertainty, and a sense of focus and inspiration to do something very "out of the box" in terms of what next in my life.
And, I knew I needed to both develop my mind further, and meet a broader range of people, and figure out ways to do both, with only a rough sense of how.
(12-29-2013 08:05 AM)vonunov Wrote: I keep a journal, and I try to go off on tangents about things so as to get the mental mechanics going, but I tend to do it before bed, when I'm already super tired and don't really want to deal with it, so it doesn't go as far as it probably should. I'll try doing it in the morning instead and see how that changes things. I've been playing with that Vipassana meditation recently, though I tend to get distracted with little things and forget to do it regularly. It is refreshing and an interesting way to see how the metacognition goes, though.
Those are all interesting steps. In 2011, I started recording video journals, and I found that to be an interesting twist on traditional journaling. I let myself go off on tangents, talked about my decision conflicts and ideas about what to do next, summed up what I'd been doing, and all that. I'd say that's been a good learning process, including watching the videos and learning from that. But, text has its own value as well, as does image-based things like layouts.
I'm interested in mediation, and mention it a lot based on research and reports of its effectiveness, but I haven't done much actual meditation myself. I do a lot of metacognitive reflection, but that's a bit different.
I watched a good portion of the CreativeLive workshop,
Meditation for Everyday Life when it was live-streamed for free, and I found that to be an interesting introduction to what meditation is about (now, you have to pay for most of the content.)
Anyway, there's a bunch more text. There's so much more to say on all these topics, but, does that answer your question?
And, any more questions?