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When will the stereotypes stop?
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When will the stereotypes stop?

I could have posted this in the "teenage life" thread, but I think this is worthy of a thread in its own right.

When will the stereotypes about teenagers stop? When will adults in the education system and many of our parents and even students stop calling us lazy, ungrateful, rebellious, and all the other labels? When will we stopped being viewed more as corrupted, mindless, rebellious criminals rather than people? It seems that if you make a stereotype about an ethnic group, race, gender, etc, that's not okay, but it's perfectly okay to make stereotypes about teenagers.

Sorry, but it really is true. You have to look at the media images. You have to listen to what your teachers and parents think of you. It's really not hard to see the stereotypes.

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When will the stereotypes stop?

I'm getting sick of them as well. Just like racial stereotypes, except people think they're true.

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RE: When will the stereotypes stop?

I KNOW. I KNOW. ME ME ME.

It'll stop when man becomes one with the machine. We shall be one. We shall be Borg. Stereotypes will become irrelevant.

On a serious note, there has always been stereotypes about teens. Much of it is usually ageism but at varying degrees throughout history. However, I find that today's ageist views of teens also seeks to make them look stupid. Sure, all thise hormones and peer pressure its natural for teens to do stupid stuff. Being in that state means their more susceptible to doing such things than an adult, who usually say "Y U TEENS BE STOOPID".

Then again this sort of behavior could be handled if it wasnt for the stereotype. If enough of that energy is diverted to something else, like work or something(like how native american kids would be brought along with their fathers to hunt). In all honesty, teens are the perfect,if somewhat unstable, worker. They'll do their work with enthusiasm if they know they'll get rewarded. They also make good idealist, with all their zeal.

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RE: When will the stereotypes stop?

One way to think about this is to step back, and think about how cognition works in general.

Everyone interprets the world through some kind of mental models, familiar scripts. These are known as schema. It's possible to update one's schema, and learn to look at the world in new ways, but we all use schema, frames, and the like to interpret things.

Stereotypes are a specific example of rigidly-fixed schema or mental models.

Many stereotypes have some basis in reality, but the line between that reality and how people think about it is where things start to go wrong. Even more so, when people have emotionally-charged biases in the mix.

It's important to remember that any population of human beings will have quite a bit of variation. Stereotypes are often based on the assumption that all people in a given population are the same. This is especially faulty when you consider that individual people can learn, change, grow, and individuate, and end up violating even the norms of their own groups.

So, when will the stereotypes stop?

I think they'll stop when people learn to engage in metacognition, reflection, and active learning... rather than thinking "I can only think about the mind if I have a psychology or philosophy degree."

(12-25-2013 04:58 PM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  Sorry, but it really is true. You have to look at the media images. You have to listen to what your teachers and parents think of you. It's really not hard to see the stereotypes.

TV Tropes is one way to explore those patterns. See (and study) the list of Teenage Tropes for some examples.

But, it's also not hard to see exceptions to stereotypes, and subversions of tropes, either. And, make them happen, and help spread the word, including with our own media.

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RE: When will the stereotypes stop?

One way to play with stereotypes and expectations: Subverted Trope.

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RE: When will the stereotypes stop?

adults think they know about teens life today but they do not and they try to calm teens down but they cant stop these stereotype against teens until they go to the teens school and be a teen again like in the movie "17 again"but they cant go be a teen again so they should keep their stereotypes to them self's and let teens be teens PirateFuScratchchin

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It is common for adults to assume that by having experienced youth, they are capable of lecturing teenagers on it. This is a grave miscalculation of generational advancement. Luckily this appears to be on the decline overall, as our society becomes gradually more progressive.

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I meant politically.

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(12-26-2013 03:11 AM)154bmag Wrote:  I'm getting sick of them as well. Just like racial stereotypes, except people think they're true.

There are obviously people that think racial stereotypes are true...

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Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?

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