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My classes are especially chaotic, negative, and hostile this year

About a handful of the calmer type of students have even approached me about taking stronger measures to get it under control. It's mostly black females who are causing all the trouble. Last year it wasn't so bad but this year it's a disaster. I hate to sound racist but 99% of my classroom disruption and negativity comes from black females.

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Can't you take it up the hierarchy and see if they'll do something about it?

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They're Mexican hoes here.
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What grade are you?

Last year was terrible (it was sophomore). Except it wasn't just African American girls. It was pretty much everyone. Heck, I think a lot of my classroom meltdowns last year came from one specific white kid.

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At my former school, the troublemakers were 60% white kids, 40% black kids. And they pulled the race card often.

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Sometimes you couldn't even blame the students. The meltdowns I had were in particular substitute teachers. One of them treated the class room as if it were a freaking kindergarten class.

I think what was my worst class last year though was Spanish Class for Native Speakers. Worse fucking class ever. I don't mean to sound like a racist, but pretty much every kid in that class was a stereotype Mexican (and almost all were Mexicans, there were 2 Salvadoreans, but that was about it). Being a Mexican American myself (I'm not a typical one though, I have light skin and hazel eyes), I fucking hated being in that class.

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My town is over 90% white.
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RE: My classes are especially chaotic, negative, and hostile this year

Why are they so unhappy? Do they have any interests, hopes and dreams, anything like that?

Some studies have found mindfulness practices, like meditation, can help people develop self-regulation skills. Of course, people have to be open to change. If there's a culture of hostility and chaos, it might help to identify why.

There must be something they care about, enjoy, or believe in... no? Is there any process in place to figure that out? Where does the negativity come from?

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This episode of This American Life talks about helping people learn "non-cognitive skills," a.k.a., social and emotional learning. This is missing in a lot of schools, despite increasing attention on the benefits it can provide:

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(10-28-2013 01:32 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Can't you take it up the hierarchy and see if they'll do something about it?

They'll fire me.

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RE: My classes are especially chaotic, negative, and hostile this year

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I'm so sick of all that dogmatic garbage. The kids who don't want to be there need to be allowed to leave. It's that simple. And the kids who do want to stay in there just so they can trash every lesson need to be forced out. There's plenty of other places where they can have their stupid arguments and fights. Like in the parking lot of the projects they live in.

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(10-28-2013 01:32 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Can't you take it up the hierarchy and see if they'll do something about it?

They'll fire me.

Youll get fired for trying to get authority to better handle this situation? Thats worse than a bureaucracy. At least there you just transfer the stuff you dont want and make it someone elses problem till it gets dumped in the trash or buried in a massive warehouse next to all the other forgotten documents from ages past..

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I'm sick of black on white racism in majority black schools.

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Gotta teach dem nigga slaves the way udah white man?

Its pretty ironic. They all scream rascism when a white man says something almost not racist yet have no qualms of calling each other niggers and being rascist against whites(probably from the belief they deserve payback...which is nonsense because how many actuall came from a slave ancestry in America. Not saying general slave ancestry because Africans enslaved their own race just like the white Europeans once did, and they did sell these people to the European merchants).

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^ I don't see what most of that has to do with anything.

Why even make it a race issue? You could just tell the administration you are having trouble with some students in particular, without pointing out what they look like.

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Blacks being racist against whites, while blacks complain about whites being racist and how it offends them due to being enslaved by the white man?

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(10-29-2013 10:49 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Gotta teach dem nigga slaves the way udah white man?

Its pretty ironic. They all scream rascism when a white man says something almost not racist yet have no qualms of calling each other niggers and being rascist against whites(probably from the belief they deserve payback...which is nonsense because how many actuall came from a slave ancestry in America. Not saying general slave ancestry because Africans enslaved their own race just like the white Europeans once did, and they did sell these people to the European merchants).
I'm sorry, but I hate it when someone brings up "well, Africans enslaved their own race" because that's just ignoring facts. First, black-on-black slavery was far less worse than white-on-black slavery. Second, it is true that chiefs did sell slaves to merchants out of greed and profit, but it was often forced as well. Third, whites were already practicing slavery on themselves as well. It was called serfdom. Maybe not true slavery, but slavery nonetheless.

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I didnt say whites werent practicing any slavery, who cares about quantity? if they are willing to enslave one theyll be willing to enslave however many they want, and slavery is slavery even if master and slave are the same race.

So there is no fact ignored because my statment is true. Blacks enslaved blacks. Did they not?

Slavery is a human institution. Your melatonin level doesnt mean anything. Mayans probably sacrificed a good bunch of slaves they gathered from war. Romans used slaves for pretty much everything from labor to pleasure. Africans enslaved one another like everyone else, then sold it to the rich white man with big sticks that had a hole in the center that killed when you pointed it at someone and pulled a lever. Somewhere sometime there may have even been some cannibal tribe that sought slaves to bring diversity to their dinner table.

Its rascist to attribute severity of slave abuse on race when its something all of humanity participates in. Hell, slavery still exists today even in modern nations, obviously under the guise of some legal mumbo-jumbo. They didnt get rid of it, they just toned it down and made it look smarter(like with almost every human vice. Civilized just means the vice is done in a more sophisticated manner)

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(10-29-2013 12:05 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Blacks being racist against whites, while blacks complain about whites being racist and how it offends them due to being enslaved by the white man?

This. 


You take a school that's about 80% black and try being white in that situation. Then factor in early pubescence among black females, the increased likelyhood that the blacks have been retained one or more grades, combine that with the aggressive culture of their project upbringing and the fact that fathers in the home are non-existent- and then they are taught that their racism against whites is justified because of events that they didn't even live through and it all adds up to a horrifying experience for the white students, excluding perhaps the white females willing to trade sexual favors for protection. 

For the teacher, a large percent of blacks from the projects come from a culture where they don't pay rent, get free food, and each new baby is a new paycheck. You don't exactly need a traditional education to live in a project and breed. These kids understand that they are paychecks and if they cut up enough in school they get disability as well. 

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Same thing with me, though it is the opposite sex in my case. All of the black guys in my classrooms (most) are doing nothing but making noises and interrupting the lesson. I hate most of them because they are FULL SHIT RETARDS, my hatred towards most black people has nothing to do with their color/origins, but their behavior. Don't feel racist about this, you have the right to hate stupid people, as so others.
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(10-30-2013 05:36 AM)Reflect Wrote:  Same thing with me, though it is the opposite sex in my case. All of the black guys in my classrooms (most) are doing nothing but making noises and interrupting the lesson. I hate most of them because they are FULL SHIT RETARDS, my hatred towards most black people has nothing to do with their color/origins, but their behavior. Don't feel racist about this, you have the right to hate stupid people, as so others.

Actually, I feel the exact same way, but I just hate a lot of people at my school. Don't you just hate it when your assigned prison school is filled with kids that follow stereotypes?

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Stop following the stereotype of not following a steretype!

I think the reason people who follow stereotypes are so damn annoying is because they can never muster a logical reason for their support. And when questioned and this flaw revealed, they just ignore you.

How am I supposed to help humanity when people choose to ignore their own flaws?(Actually rhetorical since I have a secret formula to handle such a problem). Answer it in your own head and you can replace the word hjmanity with whatever.

My school was a but interesting in this aspect. Being somewhat small, there werent really diverse stereotypes being followed really. Id say each high school grade pretty much only had 2 stereotypes they followed(which always seemed to differ from other grades). I was pretty much my own island(continent sized mind you).

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Can't you throw the troublemakers out of the class? Or will you get in trouble for doing that?

Is there some way to have two seperate rooms, troublemakers in the one, everyone else in the other?

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TheCancer, do you have any interest in helping people grow beyond what their upbringing is, what the horrible school environment you just explained?

Do you have any belief that's even possible, on occasion... or do you classify that idea as "dogmatic" nonsense?

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There are strong rules against removing any student from the classroom for anything short of physical violence. They can be removed from the following lesson, however. If a teacher has two or more chronically disruptive students per class the one who gets removed (fired) is the teacher. During my planning I often go around and see what's going on in the other classes. It's basically the same all over. The advanced classes are about 80% white and usually well-behaved. The remedial classes are about 90% black and very noisy. We have the data broken down to us in every way imaginable. Less than 10% of the black students are on grade level in math. The achievement gap is unbelievable. It also appears that only black women can effectively control black students. Nobody can teach the students who truly don't want to be there and that fact crosses all racial divides.

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Like I said above, people have to want to be there. This strategy that strategy. Blah blah. It's pointless if there's no buy in. They don't want to read, they don't like to read, they don't care if they can't read. You can come in with this theory or that theory, it's been going on for decades now and everything has been tried and nothing works. From Miami to Seattle it's the same all over.

Do I care? Yes, I care. That's why I am so adamant that COMPULSORY education has to be abolished. That's the only hope. Forcing these ridiculous and unnatural situations day after day spells disaster.

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TheCancer, I agree with you that you need buy-in, they have to want to be there, and compulsory attendance isn't the answer.

However, I also think learning environments can be constructed totally differently, where people can be excited about learning, explore interests, and all that. They situation they're in has to be desirable, not a prison-like environment.

Some schools work with students directly to discover their interests, work with mentors, and do meaningful work, like Big Picture Schools. These aren't just theories, they are real examples.

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Ask them where they see themselves in 10 years.

Ask them if they want to make their family proud.

What's better? Dealing drugs and making mediocre money and running the risk of spending years in jail? Or owning their own business?
If you get the rapper response tell them how important a decent vocabulary is to make a good rap. Tell them about how rap is basically poetry.

Shit like that. Idk if it'll work.
Basically, I'm jsut trying to say you have to relate to them make them feel understood. Being mean to them and just... like.. locking down, won't do anything. All that'll do is just make them shut down more.

I'm sorry if I'm not making much sense.

I've been one of those "calmer kids" that ask if things can be put under control.
The way I see it, those kids don't think they've got a chance. They don't think they can do it. Like go to college and shit. I feel like deep down they want to care, but they just don't think they'll get anywhere.

Just.. be firm, but gentle and understanding. And patient. Above all, be patient.

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RE: My classes are especially chaotic, negative, and hostile this year

I hear you, night. You got it right

In another class,students that I teach, but in another teacher's class, a group of 4 kids started picking on one much smaller kid and then one of the much larger kids punched the smaller kid in the face. For no reason except meanness. So I came into my class doing what I had to do. That's not happening in my class. I don't care what I have to do to stop it. That will not happen. It makes me so sad. 

If you want to be a different fish, you've got to jump out of the school.


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