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I hate middle school
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I hate middle school

Ok so I'm in middle school 3 of my teachers hate me one of them doesn't me and my teacher that doesn't hate me talk and I feel like we can talk but the rest despise of my I try to talk to my parents about it but they say well I had that to or just try but I absolutely hate middle school
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I hate middle school

Same thing with me, i just be quite near the teachers that hate me, one of them calls me stupid and SCREAMS at me,

Shes the teacher i had last year in 7th grade, and we had a inncident last year, i got so pissed cuz of her, i stood up screamed "THIS IS BULLSHIT!"and ran out of the class

School isnt as bad as you think
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Quote:Ok so I'm in middle school 3 of my teachers hate me

It may not be that these teachers actually "hate" you. Often times teachers will develop methods of herding "cattle" (students) that involve screaming, yelling, and bullying. Often these types of teachers do not have the time to even know their students well enough to "hate" them. They may hate their job, they may hate their life, they may even hate themselves, but it would be more likely that they are just trying to manipulate you.

The dynamics are similar to a prisoner and a prison guard. The usual method is be silent and attract as little attention as possible until you finish your sentence or get paroled.

If you engage the teacher you have to apply pressure where they are vulnerable such as saying, "Have you received treatment for your anger management issues?". The implication is that you could (pretending concern) talk with the principal and actually might get the teacher to have to attend such a therapy group. However, if you follow the path of confrontation or counter manipulation, you risk retaliation. The teacher may get to your parents and have them put you on medication.

It is dangerous to actually challenge a teacher, but it can be amusing to consider possibilities without actually acting on them.
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My sister always complains about how her teachers are "evil,mean and/or annoying" and that they always hate her.

Usually after my fierce questioning, it turns out she's just slacking off and doesn't like to work. Thus the teachers trying to teach her become evil for trying to teach her to learn.

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RE: I hate middle school

Hi, Camelman. I didn't like junior high either, and I didn't do much of the work, and I got bad grades. I wanted out. I wanted to learn in a different way. What are the worst parts of school for you? Are there other ways you enjoy learning?

(10-15-2013 02:34 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  My sister always complains about how her teachers are "evil,mean and/or annoying" and that they always hate her.

Usually after my fierce questioning, it turns out she's just slacking off and doesn't like to work. Thus the teachers trying to teach her become evil for trying to teach her to learn.

brainiac, is she just lazy? Or, maybe school could be done better? I think both teachers and students could work to better understand each other's perspectives and change classrooms from boring, hostile places to places of interest, fascination, and joyful learning.

I think stepping back from blame and assuming the worst in others is the first step.

Here's Justin's blog post from today... he's a teacher who's trying to disentangle the causes of why so many teachers spend so much time "yelling and labeling" about "bad and lazy students." Often, the problem is a mutual lack of understanding.

Seeing the Connections - 10/14/2013 - Tres Columnae

Quote:A, B, X, or Y just sits there, doing nothing … or at least that’s how it appears. As a teacher, you start to feel ignored and unappreciated … and it’s a short step from there to the yelling and labeling. But I had thought L was tuning out – and I discovered Thursday evening that I was totally wrong. He’s been telling his mom all about what he’s learning, and she wanted to make sure to tell me that “yours is his favorite class.”

Yelling and labeling tend to flow from prejudging, and prejudging is as hard to avoid for students as it is for their teachers. Seeing false connections is just as problematic as not seeing actual ones.

Somehow, after all those years in school, many students still don’t see the connections between That Grade and what they do – or don’t do – in class each day.

So you can see, it's tough for teachers, as well... they tend to get frustrated when students don't comply. But, why does school have to be such a miserable experience for everyone? "Just work harder" isn't the answer for some of us. Some people learn differently from how some teachers try to teach. Often, teachers get frustrated and angry, because they don't understand that some people learn differently.

I'm hoping we can all take steps to find out how we learn differently, and figure out how to teach educators more about different students' learning needs.

For example, check out kfcnyancat's thread School essentially admits that it's not for everybody!, and Roboka's thread, Middle school has already proved to be another hell

Many teachers do care, even if it's hard to see. My suggestion is to try to get to know them as people. Try to find out why they don't like you. Maybe find out why they went into teaching. And find ways to learn in ways you enjoy. The Internet is full of free learning resources, including Khan Academy, that might provide a better way to learn.

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(10-15-2013 12:50 AM)timf Wrote:  It may not be that these teachers actually "hate" you. Often times teachers will develop methods of herding "cattle" (students) that involve screaming, yelling, and bullying. Often these types of teachers do not have the time to even know their students well enough to "hate" them. They may hate their job, they may hate their life, they may even hate themselves, but it would be more likely that they are just trying to manipulate you.

This is called classroom management. Why don't students behaviorally comply? It's baffling to teachers who went through school and were happy to comply. But, not everyone's minds work the same.

Here, author Dan Pink, who writes about human motivation, talks about how schools tend to operate with a "comply or defy" paradigm:



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(10-15-2013 12:50 AM)timf Wrote:  The dynamics are similar to a prisoner and a prison guard. The usual method is be silent and attract as little attention as possible until you finish your sentence or get paroled.

Exactly. However, I think things can change. Many more people than in the past are now talking about remaking education to adapt to learner needs, and help students prepare for life in a world that expects initiative and autonomy, and finding one's own path, after they make it out of school.

(10-15-2013 12:50 AM)timf Wrote:  If you engage the teacher you have to apply pressure where they are vulnerable such as saying, "Have you received treatment for your anger management issues?". The implication is that you could (pretending concern) talk with the principal and actually might get the teacher to have to attend such a therapy group. However, if you follow the path of confrontation or counter manipulation, you risk retaliation. The teacher may get to your parents and have them put you on medication.

The trope for that form of question is Amor-Piercing Question, and it's not usually the best way to make friends or get people to listen to you, unless played extremely effectively.

I suggest a different approach. Instead of pretending to be concerned, actually become interested in other people in your world. Learn about them, who they are, what they like, and what they don't like. Find information and resources that might improve their experience as a teacher or in their life. These days, it's just as likely a motivated student could find something valuable for a teacher, as it is a teacher could have something valuable for a student.

It's time for learning to happen in both directions... and this doesn't happen when people are taking attitudes with each other and asking painfully-worded questions.

(10-15-2013 12:50 AM)timf Wrote:  It is dangerous to actually challenge a teacher, but it can be amusing to consider possibilities without actually acting on them.

Again, I think there are options other than directly challenging teachers. Ask questions, even question things, but do it in a respectful manner. These are people, too... and if you want to change things, it helps to learn to speak their language, and learn why they're doing things the way they are. Then, it might be possible to suggest different ways of doing things, in a genuinely friendly way... or at least in a way where you ask for their help, rather than shoving changes down their throat. Smile

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Nope. I know my sister.

She's pretty spoiled, never did her own homework for years(which took till about beginning of her high school, end of middle school for her to actually do it herself). Always complains about the teachers at first, then a month or so later will do nothing but commend them and enjoy the classes.

Plus I also know the teachers she complains about since they used to be mine, and they are very good teachers(hence the source of her problem)

She just wants to make an excuse to complain.

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