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Unpaid Internships?

Your thoughts on unpaid internships?

Mine go along the simple line of:
Quote:If you don't pay me for my work, I shall steal all your office supplies, including desktops, and sell them!

The American job market is crap. If you don't finish college or study a specific degree, there's practically no option. And I'm not fond of customer service or cashier, at all. I hate those categories with the greatest passion. I despise them. I piss on their graves.

I've got security officer as a possible job, and the pay is not bad. I just need to get licensed however, and states don't honor each others licenses like they do driver license, so I'll probably have to get one from another state(NY is nearby and has more jobs in that area, so I'll probably apply for one in NY work, though it means I have to figure out how it works for me)

I could also work as a teller at a bank, but that's really border-line cashier/customer service(but I think it's simpler since most of the work I'll be handling is deposits,withdrawls and giving change. Everything else is mostly "please take a seat and a representative will be with you shortly")

I should just work in government -_-. I swear, it's like the public sector has the best jobs for me.

And back to unpaid internships. It's absurd...

I do work, and all I'd be getting is either college credit(which won't pay for anything) or a slim chance of actually getting a job(which probably has the same odds of me winning the lottery, and the lottery being the better choice because I'll get a ton of more money).

People are always finding ways to getting free slave-like labor. I want to shove their heads into a shredder Mwahaha

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(06-14-2013 08:02 AM)Potato Wrote:  watch the fuq out, we've got an "intellectual" over here.

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Unpaid Internships?

PS:Thanks to the current state of government, finding a suitable job in the public sector is also a difficulty. This country is sucking each passing day. I think I should go somewhere that offers better jobs. Biggrin

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(06-14-2013 08:02 AM)Potato Wrote:  watch the fuq out, we've got an "intellectual" over here.

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RE: Unpaid Internships?

Brainiac, you ask a very good question about unpaid internships.

Depending on the situation, they're better than sitting bored in school without getting paid... but they may be worse than working for low wages at a job that at least pays. It really depends.... but it's worth being wary.

(10-10-2013 02:24 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  If you don't finish college or study a specific degree, there's practically no option. And I'm not fond of customer service or cashier, at all. I hate those categories with the greatest passion. I despise them.

First of all... there are options, partly depending on who you know, and partly depending on your skills. One other factor is your attitude. And on that count... I suggest that you chill out a bit.

It's fine to take issue with some kinds of work. But just try stepping back from despising. Channel your passion toward what you want, rather than what you hate. Ask about what options you don't see, rather than despising the ones you see.

Or, in other words, "It's better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness."

(Surely, you're lighting a candle with your passion, but beyond light and dark, part of the challenge of life is to discover unseen options, rather than cursing the lack of them.)

And besides, you don't have to travel the planet to find a better job, if you have access to the Internet.

If you want to get some brainstorming help, I'm game. Just get ready to handle a list of options you might recoil at.

Here's the 5-minute tutorial on that:

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If you want to do free labor... while learning valuable workplace skills... and you want to learn some web coding, I have a task for you. Just don't shove my head into a shredder, or break my fingers, even in your head.

To return to the first question, unpaid internships depend on a key thing: are you learning something? And, secondarily, is the task something you can add to a resume? And, thirdly, will your temporary overlords provide you a reference for a future job?

My basic advice is, evaluate your ability/willingness to do web coding. There's demand there that depends only on whether you can do the work.

And, to address your thoughts on the "there are no options" idea, check out this talk:



Watch on YouTube

"Millions of job openings" vs. "Millions of workers looking for jobs."

In short, education needs to change. The key factors: "learning"/"can you do something" and "signaling"/"how do you demonstrate that to someone who needs your skills."

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RE: Unpaid Internships?

A thinly guised rant this be.(in case that didnt occur)

And this is a form of my chilling out process(though being dead tired while writing this meant some parts of my brain were closed for the day).

I shall read your post...when I charge my phone.

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RE: Unpaid Internships?

I’ve never had any internship, much less an unpaid one. In fact, the very concept is offensive to me. I worked in high school, waiting tables like most people I knew, and working construction in the summers. Once I was out of college, I took a year off after being accepted into graduate school. In that year, the only thing I did was learn how to make enough money to pay the rent, gas, and food. I’d never had to do that for myself and so I learned it, meager as my lifestyle may have been. When I got out of graduate school, it took me about a year to get a good job, mostly because I had no idea how to get a job and didn’t understand basic things like job hunting, following up, and I didn’t have good communication skills. I didn’t know that the world truly, truly did not give one single care for me — but, it was a more forgiving time and I was lucky.
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RE: Unpaid Internships?

Hah, RM, a direct paste from the article you linked to. Quite relevant, too. I wonder who you are?

(10-11-2013 01:33 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  A thinly guised rant this be.(in case that didnt occur)

And this is a form of my chilling out process(though being dead tired while writing this meant some parts of my brain were closed for the day).

Writing wall-of-text responses is my form of chilling out process (and I gain energy from it, too...) Smile

This figuring-out-work is a situation many people are facing, though... decisions over what to do for work, for learning, for credibility, for fun and so on, especially when you're basically building your life story in the process. What you choose to do will impact the experiences you have, the people you meet, and therefore what you learn and the way your life will unfold.

Fortunately, it's possible to develop a better map of the world, and find a better set of cognitive lenses through which to look at it. This allows immediate experiences to be put into a larger context, and can also provide a better set of options.

However, none of those perspectives are likely to be encountered in school (including college)... except perhaps in commencement speeches (which are now available on the web, from many colleges, without having to step foot inside a classroom.)

That's not to say there's nothing to be gained from college, or from internships, or from any kind of job, but it's worth learning to understand how it all works, and who is getting what out of the equation... beyond just money and the work in question.

In short, how will it fit into a later story, a portfolio, an interview, an autobiography?

A lot of things won't... but giving that some thought can be a mind-expanding exercise in itself.

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So where's this brainstorming help that will have me recoiling? I feel like recoiling...

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(06-14-2013 08:02 AM)Potato Wrote:  watch the fuq out, we've got an "intellectual" over here.

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RE: Unpaid Internships?

Haha, good question. That's what I'm trying to make a business out of, so I had better start somewhere.

Did you watch those videos?

Thoughts?

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