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For those of you that come here with a valid experience of hatred of the school system, you probably understand that currently there is no method of protest. It is time to change this. We need this to be more than just forms. We need to turn this site into a society of secret intelligence. What do I mean? I mean we need to find proof of schools and their inability to become an actually good place for kids to learn, not for memorizing too much information and forgetting about it in an endless loop. As of right now, we have many options. But the most important thing to do is GET PROOF. Bring in tape recorders. Bring in cameras if a psychotic teacher is beating someone. Do whatever you can. We know already, due to thousands of articles and forum sections, that school should be burned down to the ground. Of course, trying this is just plain retarded, but we need to burn school slowly. Turn information into evidence. Show these stubborn adults that we have rights and we are quite obviously intelligent people. And that we are not "Youth guided in a bad direction" or any bullshit like that. It is time to fight. No more waiting. School Survivalists, let's start this revolution!
10-04-2013 09:46 AM
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Welp, my work is done. I mean, the regular crap (schooling instead of learning, anti-opinionist teachers, etc.) happens at my school, but nothing that would really bring attention to the problem does. Call me when you start marching in front of schools with picket signs.

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For anyone who remembers me going on an archive binge: Thank you all. I know I ended it being a drama queen, I don't really agree with the ideology anymore, and I'm really not the same person I was (I went through a neopagan phase!) but still this site was the first online community I was in. I graduated from school and turned 18. Time flies. KFC Nyan Cat, June 20, 2019.
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It's not that easy to just "start a revolution"
If it was, it would've happened by now.

"When will the world listen to reason? I have a feeling it'll be a long time." --Dexter Holland

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows as government grows, liberty decreases. " --Thomas Jefferson
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(tl;dr: if you can read an article, or a book, then shift your mind into thinking of this as an article. If you'd prefer a printed copy, I'll put my walls of text into a book and you can order it. If you'd prefer to listen to the walls of text, let me know and I'll record a reading of it.

Btw, I'm still learning to write effectively... and create other media, in a way that engages the audience and leads to a conversation. This is one thing we all need to get better at if we want more people to consider our perspectives.)


(10-04-2013 09:46 AM)Roboka Wrote:  I mean we need to find proof of schools and their inability to become an actually good place for kids to learn, not for memorizing too much information and forgetting about it in an endless loop. As of right now, we have many options. But the most important thing to do is GET PROOF.

I agree. This is an important step. Document your experiences. Interview others and find out what they think. Think of your self as a researcher, a journalist, a detective. Why are things the way they are? What are the blocking factors to change?

Another important step is to envision how things might work instead. Beyond proving what's wrong with one-size-fits-all, comply-or-defy, factory model schools, we need to discover and show people a different way for learning to work.

One step to take is educate yourself about what people are saying. There are many allies out there who are trying to do things differently. It's taken me a lot of searching to begin to find them, beyond the few people who give talks. But that gives arise to another step... we need to have conversations that bridge the discussions here on School Survival, and those going on elsewhere.

I'm working on building an interactive course about this entire issue of learning, schools, and figuring out life paths in a way school doesn't provide much help with. Part of this course will involve Google Hangouts and other live interaction, with the goal of getting learners, educators, parents, and others learning about what's wrong with schools and what people can do instead.

(10-04-2013 03:51 PM)154bmag Wrote:  It's not that easy to just "start a revolution"
If it was, it would've happened by now.

I don't think protest is going to be the main solution to the education problem... it might play a role, but it's more important to have meaningful conversations, and help people learn about a different way of doing education. One of the best ways to do this is to find educators who do "get it" and help promote their ideas.

One approach to take is to document your efforts to have conversations with others about school. Explain that you're doing research for a project, ask for permission to record the conversations (audio, video, or just notes) and talk to your teachers, parents, other students, people in your community, and see what they say.

Try to learn about who they are, and their experience with school, and what they care about. Just forcing new ideas down people's throat, without finding out who they are, tends not to work. Once you get a better sense of who your conversation partner is, think about what you might show them. Would they watch some talks, and discuss them? Read some articles, or personal stories? Do they realize that many students aren't happy, and don't feel like school is preparing them for life?

(10-04-2013 10:41 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  I mean, the regular crap (schooling instead of learning, anti-opinionist teachers, etc.) happens at my school, but nothing that would really bring attention to the problem does. Call me when you start marching in front of schools with picket signs.

So, what would bring attention to the problem, and motivate people to discuss what might be done?

I think there are much more effective approaches, especially in our connected, media-saturated world, than physical picket signs... especially when most educators do care about helping people learn. They're often caught up in the system as well. Get to know who they are, and facilitate conversations.

Find out if your educators are online and have a social media presence. Many do, these days... and I've talked to many... but so far, I've never encountered a situation where one of these teachers have students who are also here on School Survival. So, it's hard to facilitate learning conversations even among people who want to learn.

One step we can all take is learn each other's language. Educators have their own set of terminology... words like "pedagogy" (teaching method) and "professional development" (educator training.) By learning to use these words, and adapt our viewpoints into language teachers can understand, it'll be a lot easier to be "heard" than chanting with picket signs.

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Here's a recent example of a learning conversion:

Justin is one of the teachers I've been talking to, who "gets it." He posts a daily blog, and I often participate in follow-up discussion on G+. Here's yesterday's thread:

https://plus.google.com/1023403368172100...Le2uvsh2H3

In his related blog post, Unexpected Convergence, Justin wrote about two of his students who proposed screening Ken Robinson's talk, "How Schools Kill Creativity," to their entire school.

I suggest reading both of those links, and feel free to post your thoughts on the G+ thread. (I'm Brendan there, by the way.)

Here's the part I'm referring to, though:

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Watch on YouTube

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kfcnyancat Wrote:Call me when you start marching in front of schools with picket signs.

I actually quoted your recent post, School essentially admits that it's not for everybody! on that thread, kfcnyancat. But, like so many of my walls of text-and-links, it hasn't generated follow-up discussion there yet.

If any of you would like to jump on there and give your thoughts, it could help advance the discussion. This is a sympathetic crowd, but they don't have all the answers either, and they're struggling with figuring out what they can do as well.

Peter Gray & allies launching the Alliance for Self-directed Education

ASDE Newsletters: #1 Announcement | #2 History of ASDE | #6 Education Liberation


School Survival & Catalyst Learning Network featured on AlternativestoSchool's blog
“Mom, Dad, can I stop going to school?”

Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking when the Stakes are High

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