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The Glendale School District in California is facing some backlash from the recent news that it has retained the services of Geo Listening to track its students' social media activity. The rationale behind the program is (of course) the students' safety.

After collecting information from students' posts on social media platforms such as Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and Twitter, Geo Listening will provide Glendale school officials with a daily report that categorizes posts by their frequency and how they relate to cyber-bullying, harm, hate, despair, substance abuse, vandalism and truancy.

Glendale Unified, which piloted the service at Hoover, Glendale and Crescenta Valley high schools last year, will pay the company $40,500 to monitor posts made by about 13,000 middle school and high school students at eight Glendale schools.

It would appear that the school district knew there would be some backlash, hence its decision to delay this announcement until the beginning of this school year, rather than "last year," when the program was actually put into place. (The date stated in this article may be incorrect. The founder of Geo Listening's LinkedIn page says the company formed in January -- unless "last year" means "last school year.") Administration officials are already on the defensive.

Glendale Unified Supt. Dick Sheehan said the service gives the district another opportunity to "go above and beyond" when dealing with students' safety.

"People are always looking to see what we're doing to ensure that their kids are safe. This just gives us another opportunity to ensure the kids are safe at all times," he said.

A rather overwrought paragraph on the company's About Us page attempts to sell fear and monitoring system at the same time, much as Superintendent Sheehan did in the above paragraph.

The Facts

Your students are crying for help. We have heard these cries of despair, and for help and attention, loud and clear from students themselves via their public postings on social networks. Many feel as though no one is listening, and they are falling away from societal connections. This trend can be reversed with more timely information that we can provide to the appropriate school staff.​

What Geo Listening appears to do is nothing more than aggregate public social media posts linked to either the students or school district. Geo Listening repeatedly points out that it doesn't "monitor email, SMS, MMS, phone calls, voicemails or unlock any privacy setting of a social network user."

This seems to be true, but not necessarily because Geo Listening is concerned about privacy. In its privacy policy, it breaks down exactly what it does monitor.

Geo Listening is a social media monitoring system that allows school districts to locate and process publicly available social media content. School districts use the Geo Listening Services to access and aggregate publicly available content on the Internet into regular reports and dashboards. Public content is collected and provided to school districts from the following websites:

· Twitter;
· Facebook;
· Instagram;
· Picasa;
· Vine;
· Flickr;
· Ask.fm;
· YouTube; and
· Google+.

By monitoring only public posts on social media services, Geo Listening is able to provide the district with reports on 13,000 students. Without having access to a report, it's tough to say exactly what Geo Listening is turning over to the district. Here's what it says it's looking for:

Geo Listening provides social media monitoring services (“Geo Listening Services”) that enable school districts to locate and process publicly available information about their students for the purposes of combating bullying, cyber-bullying, hate and shaming activities, depression, harm and self harm, self hate and suicide, crime, vandalism, substance abuse and truancy.

There are some very broad terms in that list and without more information on how Geo Listening tracks or aggregates posts that fall into this very wide net, it looks as though the system is apt to produce a lot of false positives.

Then there's the question about how it searches for offending posts. Does it only run current students through its digital sifter or does it include anyone who lists a Glendale school on their profile? Does this dragnet also capture comments, tweets, etc. from non-students who interact with Glendale students? If a student interacts with a non-student's post that falls afoul of the guidelines, can they be punished? These are just a few of the many questions this monitoring service raises.

Beyond that, there's the fact that the service, as it's currently implemented, is incredibly easy to circumvent, something Geo Location's site even discusses in its privacy policy.

How to Opt Out

If you would like to ensure content that you post through a social media platform or profile is not monitored by Geo Listening, you should ensure that your social media posts are non-public. Geo Listening only collects publicly available information. Therefore, if a social media platform includes settings that allow you to designate your posts as private, doing so will ensure your posts will not be collected.

It would seem that stating this openly somewhat defeats the purpose of the program, but it does give Geo Listening a pretty strong defense against privacy violations. Geo Listening, however, seems fairly confident that most students won't "opt out," according to this answer in its FAQ.

Most users below the age of 25 do not utilize the available privacy settings because they are seeking to be recognized for their respective posts. They have chosen to post in the public domain in exchange for popularity and a decreasing ability to communicate effectively face to face.

Personally, I feel Geo Listening is underestimating the teens it's monitoring and the little dig it throws in during the last sentence is unseemly. Insulting the people you're spying on is the sort of thing that comes back to haunt you.

Geo Listening doesn't address one of the biggest flaws in its system anywhere in its statements: trolling. Once students realize their public posts are being monitored, they're likely to respond with deliberately objectionable statements in order to trigger a response from the school system. Once this starts happening with any frequency, it will be much harder to separate the legitimate problems from the fake, while also providing legitimate bullies with a handy excuse.

Then there's the fact that the monitoring makes no distinction between posts made at school (where the school should presumably have some sort of say, especially if these are made using school equipment) and those made outside of school, away from the school's jurisdiction. Some will argue that the type of behavior being monitored crosses both boundaries and therefore should be the concern of the school. But opening this door will lead to more monitoring of kids' (theoretically) private lives rather than what should actually be under the school's purview.

Also of some concern is Geo Listening's mobile app, which basically turns any phone possessed by a student, parent or school staff member into a "Report" button.

Geo Listening also provides a free mobile application to each respective school's parents, students and staff. This mobile application provides each stakeholder the ability to anonymously report incidents that are experienced or witnessed.

While having an easy way to collect anonymous tips on incidents of bullying is a theoretically good idea, in practice it often just becomes another avenue of abuse. The district may have thought it was offloading something it didn't have the time and resources for (monitoring students' social network use 24/7) to a third party, but the exploitable flaws in the system indicate a significant amount of investigative and followup work will be generated -- all of which will have to be handled by school administrators.

If administrators are sluggish in their response to reported issues, it will give the appearance that they only really care about appearing to do something, rather than actually doing something. And Geo Listening's rationale ("only public posts") for tracking students off-campus isn't really that much different than the FBI, NSA, et al abusing the Third Party Doctrine in order to hoover up huge amounts of metadata. Just because it's been created doesn't automatically mean it should be collected.

It's another bad administrative decision based on an impossibility (keeping children safe "all the time"), one that's likely to hurt the school in the long run. Unfortunately, this news has attracted the attention of another California school district, one which obviously hasn't read the comments attached to the dozens of stories about the monitoring system.

Burbank’s schools chief said she plans to keep an eye on neighboring Glendale Unified, who recently hired a Hermosa Beach-based company to monitor the public social networking accounts of its middle and high school students.

“We do not currently monitor students’ social media sites and we have not yet researched the program that Glendale Unified has implemented, but we will be gathering more information,” Burbank Unified Supt. Jan Britz said in an email Thursday.

No one "keeps an eye" on something like this unless they think it's a good idea, but just need some additional justification or a lower bidder. Officials don't "keep an eye" on ideas they've dismissed out of hand as being "terrible" or "not for us." The expectation of privacy as it pertains to public posts is very limited, but as diminished as it is, it's not completely unwarranted for the student body to feel they should be able to leave campus without the school following it around and reading its posts over its shoulder.

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But this...this mindless, condescending disrespect toward people who have no legal voice with which to defend themselves, this reduction of parents' betrayal into a cheap crack about kids being computer-savvy...it's like watching a surgeon joke about life insurance while his patient bleeds to death on the operating table. The media's job is to protect society from oppression and they've drawn a clear line between the people worth protecting and the people that don't matter. How can they people sleep at night?

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That reminds me of another story I read a long time ago
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/studen...led-584344

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This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.

Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"

Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.

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This is bullshit, but I don't want to call it that. This is scary. Real fucking scary. This Geo Snooping thing:
1. Violates privacy.
2. Allows school to cross over their boundary in a student's life.
3. Turns kids in tattle tale cops.
4. Lumps non anonymous amd anonymous thing together. (facebook and youtube).

But I think a life lesson can be learned here. Of you're doing something illegal, DON'T TWEET ABOUT IT! I see people smoking weed, hookah, and cigarettes all the time on my Facebook. I don't judge you for doing drugs, but it's a stupid thing to do. You're doing something you could be in jail for, and evidence is a few clicks away. Forever. And now this big scary Geo thing is gonna see it. Nice one.

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Hopefully there'll be a few students there who are smart enough to organize a school-wide boycott where they all set their profiles to private so that the district basically wasted $40,500.

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I always thought schools liked to play NSA, looks like I'm right





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My school district is practicing this as well, unfortunately.

Funny enough, I actually don't have a Facebook or Twitter account under my real name. Do they think I'm a video game character?

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^As is mine

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You know, what happened to the good olden days when the only people that had true authority over you were your parents? Why must schools monitor our personal lives? We have to sacrifice our rights and time every day just to get an "education", when in reality we could be living our actual lives and passions, rather than sit and be bored 8 hours a day. Why must I let a school watch over what I post and say?

Then again, it pretty much shows that school likes to think of us as less than equals, as slaves, prisoners. Who knows, there could be some sort of "school agents" watching over us, reading this forum. It's also a good example of post 9/11 paranoia. I'm fairly certain that 99% of teens don't have any access to anything that can remotely be used as a weapon at school. Fuck off, schools.

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Fuck them for this sort of NSA bullshit that's actively harming the country. I'm so glad I don't go to that district. I'm glad I'm pretty much as far away from it as I can be right now. If I were being monitored though, I'd use the opportunity to speak out. Loudly.

Out of the monitored sites I only really use YouTube, and even then most of my comments aren't even related to school. Also I don't post with my real name. You think they track IPs? I'd do a lot of posting on tumblr if I could frigging log in to the site, which I can't for some reason. Tumblr's a good place to speak up as well.

I'm ask which would be worse: government-mandated spying on its citizens or privatized spying on aforementioned citizens. But we now have both.
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This whole talk of schools monitoring our private lives makes me laugh. I couldn't care less if they knew my thoughts regarding school. Or anything else for that matter. What're they gonna do? Expell me?! Laugh Fu

But in reality I don't believe our schools monitor our private lives. The most they ever interfere is when it regards school or a school employee directly (which is understandable IMO). For example, someone at my school created a Facebook group about some teacher they hated. It got taken down by Facebook administration whom were contacted by school administration. Nothing harmful there.

However I believe our government has implemented some stupid spying act which allows them to monitor any citizen's social media crap at will. But that's irrelevant. Everyone jokes about this as it is common belief that the Prime Minister was in the pocket of the US government.
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Anything else...including porn? You wouldn't want your school admins to know about your BDSM fetish would you?

But, as I like to think, if school's put this much effort into figuring out how to teach better...

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Porn? Couldn't care less.
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Like I mentioned, I have to go to one of these authoritarian shitholes. I'm not sure whether they purely do this by searching for your name (which is what they do) or whether they can also track down your IP (that fucking scares me). I don't have any Facebook or Twitter accounts under my real name.

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(12-11-2013 11:07 AM)Gwedin Wrote:  Porn? Couldn't care less.

So no problem if they see your list of BDSM, Hentai, Trans,Femdom and furry?

Tracking my IP is a bit...complicated. The way we use our internet is through wifi(using an extender placed near the window to give it a stronger signal strength in the house), and borrow login code from friends who have the service(and since they don't use the account for wifi because they have the internet service at home, it isn't a problem). So it's something like free internet and my public IP seem to frequently change on every access.
(Like right now, my phone and laptop are both connected, since I'm watching film from phone while typing this on laptop, and both have different public IP).

I might be mistaken in this observation, but that's how it seems to be when using public wifi.

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(12-11-2013 11:07 AM)Gwedin Wrote:  Porn? Couldn't care less.

So no problem if they see your list of BDSM, Hentai, Trans,Femdom and furry?

Correct. Don't forget 3D Monster porn, though. That shit is... weird.
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Hard to find it free. You're more likely to find computer viruses and scams.

But I wouldn't know ya know? >.<

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(06-14-2013 08:02 AM)Potato Wrote:  watch the fuq out, we've got an "intellectual" over here.

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