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Why Do We Need Compulsory Schooling?
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Why Do We Need Compulsory Schooling?

Here is an article I wrote today where I ask this question.
06-14-2013 10:15 AM
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Going to share this with all those sharing-site things. Smile

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Hello, traveler.

This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.

Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"

Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.

People are allowed to change their views.

Nevertheless, this period of my life has informed some of how I am today. In good ways and bad ways. To purge it would be to do a disservice to history. Perhaps it will not make anyone sympathetic, but it may help someone understand.

If, after reading all this, you still decide to use the post above as evidence that I am evil today, ask yourself if you have never disagreed with the moral code you now follow. In all likelihood you did, at some point. If some questions are verboten, and the answer is "how dare you ask that," don't expect your ideological opponents to ever change their minds.
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(06-14-2013 11:43 PM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Going to share this with all those sharing-site things. Smile

ha ha ok
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Why Do We Need Compulsory Schooling?

Answer #2 throws a roadblock in the way of optional schooling. No, you wouldn't have to go, but if you end up working at minimum wage in the end then 13 years of jail may as well be worth it.

For a solution to this problem, schools would offer only knowledge benefits when applying for jobs, rather than some test scores and a diploma. That way they would be motivated to actually help students learn useful information instead of simply trying to get as many of them as possible to pass the standardized tests and into the next grade.

Students should have the option to leave anytime they want. Not only are they not obligated to go to school in the first place (and therefore have every right to leave), this also allows participants to attend to any home or family emergencies. Educational centers will have to improve their environment if they plan on keeping anybody there, seeing as nobody wants to be stuck in a prison.

Forcing kids to do work is not acceptable. Once again, they are not obligated to follow any of our current school system's demands simply because of their age. If they think the work will not help them more than staying at home and learning there, then that should be fine. If it truly won't, then there's no point to it (other than enjoyment if one finds the subject interesting), and if it will, then that's their loss.

Last thing: Parents/legal guardians must be required to accept the child's decision. No, it's not "your choice". I'm sorry, but simply being older does not entitle you to be a dictator. In fact, keeping them alive doesn't either. Feel free to disagree on that one, although please be kind enough to make your way to my cotton plantation afterward. It is the child's choice, because-believe it or not-they are actual independent living human beings. Sure, your child is property. I guess your wife is property also, because that's the time era that this sort of logic is relevant to.
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Why Do We Need Compulsory Schooling?

I'm sure if schooling wasn't forced, I'd probably be more slightly more inclined to attend.(And by forced, I also mean forced by society like "No bachelor's degree? Here's a welfare application and a shitty-ass minimum wage job!")

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RE: Why Do We Need Compulsory Schooling?

yeah i agree with the property thing being in the past.. maybe one day kids wont be property either.

as far as parents keeping u alive.. my gf and i were talking about that today. she feels guilty for not wanting to talk to her parents anymore. her mom is really annoying, i can attest to that! so i understand.

anyhow she also said "well she kept me alive all those years" - first - she barely did that cuz p nearly killed herself at 17 or so. and second there was a guy who kept his daughter locked in the secret basement in austria so he could have sex with her. - and another guy also in austria who kidnapped a girl and kept her for years hidden away.

they too kept these pple alive - so to they now have to say thanks for that? or feel guilty for cutting off communication etc?
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