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Why doesn't school teach us anything useful?
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Why doesn't school teach us anything useful?

Honestly, I'd be way more happy to wake up on a Monday morning to go to school if I were to learn something useful.
I think cooking's pretty useful, but for some god damn reason, its not available for college credit, it's just there.
Learning how to pay bills and manage money is pretty useful. Not even a class.
Learning how to parent is REALLY useful. Not a class.
Learning about nutrition is important, because I just realized today that my friend did NOT know what an eggplant or squash was. Again just high school credits.
Learning public speaking is certainly useful. Drama, I suppose, counts as public speaking, but public speaking class should be aimed towards gaining the crowds' attention and whatnot.

The list could go and on. I seriously would just wish that the education take a step BACKWARDS, and realize that they are preparing us for a future that will never exist.

You all know the age old saying, once you learn to ride a bike, you'll never forget how to.

So why am I "learning" all of these science concepts, math formulas, and vocabulary when I am literally forgetting them in a month.

FFS, I'm sure an elementary schooler can make a better education system, assuming they're not brainwashed into thinking that a letter on a piece of paper matters.
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RE: Why doesn't school teach us anything useful?

Because they can't grade useful things.

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One thing (among many others) school couldn't teach you.

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Why doesn't school teach us anything useful?

Quote:Learning how to parent is REALLY useful.

like we need more idiots making babies

Quote:Learning public speaking is certainly useful.

like we need more idiots speaking in public

Quote:So why am I "learning" all of these science concepts, math formulas, and vocabulary when I am literally forgetting them in a month.

yeah, you don't need vocabulary for public speaking as long as you "gaining the crowds' attention"
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RE: Why doesn't school teach us anything useful?

Umm ... look, say he's speaking in January and April.

January: Baseline Vocabulary.
February: Learn Vocab
March: Forget Vocab
April: Baseline Vocab

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RE: Why doesn't school teach us anything useful?

(05-15-2013 05:27 PM)Potato Wrote:  
Quote:Learning how to parent is REALLY useful.

like we need more idiots making babies

Quote:Learning public speaking is certainly useful.

like we need more idiots speaking in public

This just owned itself without our help.

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Why doesn't school teach us anything useful?

Great points, Lieutenant. The list really good go on and on, but there must be a way to identify some important items and develop alternate plan for learning them. Desu's post a book for teens by former teens from two years ago gets at the same underlying point. Why can't people do a better job of translating their wisdom and experience in a form that learners can benefit from?

The fact is, even in college a lot of those things aren't covered well, even if there are classes for them. Meanwhile all of this material, even many of the classes, are available online, but there's the question of how to go about utilizing all of it.

Forgetting things

Forgetting things in a month is another *major* problem with school. And, that can be a problem even with learning outside of school. The solution is to spend time reflecting on past learning and experiences. This is a cognitive skill that can be built up, and it can be a great source of learning in itself. Connecting memories to other things you've learned, or real or potential situations can all be a learning process in itself. Learning to write, speak, and make sense of your own experiences and those of others can be a good way to learn how to communicate, and how to listen to and appreciate what other people are saying.

Parenting and growing up

Learning about parenting can be useful even in working on overcoming, redoing, and building on your own upbringing. In fact, a good amount of "parenting" is really done by the kid themselves in the decisions they make and they way they come to make sense of the world. See Making Sense of Your Past by Daniel Siegel, M.D. (5 paragraph book excerpt.)

Becoming a more conscious learner

One of the biggest reasons "school doesn't teach us anything useful" is because it teaches people to run on autopilot, rather than being a conscious decision-maker and explorer. The teacher is in charge of the content, constrained by the schedule and the learner can basically participate or not.

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So, how do you go about learning useful things, if not school? How do you even figure out what's useful, or what will be useful? This decision will have a profound impact on how you bother to spend time and energy learning outside of school.

The implication of all this

So, there's work to be done to identify what people should know, and how they can go about learning it. Or in personal terms, how do you identify what you should know, and what skills you should develop, and how? If school doesn't do this well, so maybe the learners themselves should. (Maybe then there wouldn't be so many "idiots" of the sort Potato was referencing.)

Maybe the first step is to add these to your list:

how to read several paragraphs together in a forum and not run away screaming "wall of text!"
how to write a several paragraph response to a forum post that builds on what has already been discussed.

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Why doesn't school teach us anything useful?

We learn to sit down and shut up, which is pretty useful in the modern day workplace.

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Why doesn't school teach us anything useful?

there are many good criticisms of school that can be made. but a personal preference for learning about grabbing attention or raising babies over math, science, and vocabulary is not one of them. suggesting attention grabbing for public speaking as a more useful alternative to math science and vocabulary as a school subject is just stupid because very few people speak in public, and of those, few are worth listening to, how is public speaking a more useful class subject to be forced into people's schedule, than something like vocab, which everybody use and encounter every time they read or write?
and WTF makes you think it would be a good idea to make the state responsible for teaching parenting? do you imagine that a few hours per week at some freaking parenting class in your typical public school could make people better parents? considering how well they've taught general science in the past, i have to say your faith in public education seem almost religious, no offense

Quote:This just owned itself without our help.


it doesn't take much for you to be reduced to generic troll posts.

Quote:Umm ... look, say he's speaking in January and April.

January: Baseline Vocabulary.
February: Learn Vocab
March: Forget Vocab
April: Baseline Vocab

and lol you are not gonna piss off anyone with that kind of pathetic failure of an unclever insult...it is just so pitiful that it makes me want to apologize.. i'm sorry if you were offended by my earlier remarks.
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Why doesn't school teach us anything useful?

Your friend doesn't know what an aubergine is?
He must have quite a simpleton cuisine experience.


School wasn't meant to educate for the improving of knowledge, it was meant to educate so we could be good little happy workers that would be good at their job and good at following orders.

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(05-16-2013 02:32 AM)SubCulture Wrote:  We learn to sit down and shut up, which is pretty useful in the modern day workplace.

This might have had validity in the age of factories, but things are changing fast. Many jobs require people who can think, innovative, do research, and bring about change. The antithesis of the traditional "factory model."

In recent MOOC-style course designed to get educators thinking like entrepreneurs, high school teacher Justin Schwamm wrote,

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Both schools and textbooks function ‘as designed,’ but the design is obsolete, and so is the underlying paradigm (knowledge is scarce and must be transmitted from expert to novice). To eliminate the pain that teachers, parents, and students feel, we must redesign learning spaces and learning materials around a paradigm of abundance and co-creation.
(From The Solution Test: I.)

And, responding to an assignment to describe the pain one's solution addresses, Justin wrote:

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There’s a lot to say about pain in schools today. And that’s because there’s a lot of pain to be found.  Factory-model schools still function as designed, but that design doesn’t fit the needs of today’s students, parents, teachers, school administrators, political leaders, employers, society – and that lack of fit is painful.
(From The Pain Test, 3: Inverting the School, Part 2)

In short, even though school is well-known as "designed to make drones," it's a myth that this is what society needs in today's world, let alone what a given person needs who is trying to make the most of their life.

(05-16-2013 05:47 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  School wasn't meant to educate for the improving of knowledge, it was meant to educate so we could be good little happy workers that would be good at their job and good at following orders.

School has many purposes. The purpose of making factory drones is fast becoming obsolete. There are many workers around the world who are happy to take those factory jobs away. The result is a changing landscape for what it takes for any modern society to do well.

I highly suggest watching Ken Robinson's Changing Educational Paradigms talk if you haven't seen it. The talk addresses this change. Governments around the world are trying to reform education to keep up with a changing economic landscape, while many students sit miserably in school not believing the dogma that once had at least some validity: that school will prepare you for your job.



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All that said, however fast or slowly school gets re-inventied, there's the question of what you as an individual should learn on your own. That's what I was getting at in my post. What options are there other than school to make the most of your time?

How can you reduce the risk of ending up screwed, miserable, and dependent on others for help when everyone is competing for a shrinking number of factory model jobs?

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(05-16-2013 05:20 AM)Potato Wrote:  there are many good criticisms of school that can be made. but a personal preference for learning about grabbing attention or raising babies over math, science, and vocabulary is not one of them. suggesting attention grabbing for public speaking as a more useful alternative to math science and vocabulary as a school subject is just stupid because very few people speak in public, and of those, few are worth listening to, how is public speaking a more useful class subject to be forced into people's schedule, than something like vocab, which everybody use and encounter every time they read or write?


The basic point of the original post is that there are many useful, relevant things that school doesn't tend to cover. Public speaking is just one item Lieutenant suggested. What do you think about his overall point?

(05-16-2013 05:20 AM)Potato Wrote:  and WTF makes you think it would be a good idea to make the state responsible for teaching parenting? do you imagine that a few hours per week at some freaking parenting class in your typical public school could make people better parents? considering how well they've taught general science in the past, i have to say your faith in public education seem almost religious, no offense

Why should the state teach people to sit in classrooms learning irrelevant things ("how to shut up and follow orders") in alienating, disengaging ways, period?

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Why doesn't school teach us anything useful?

Quote:The basic point of the original post is that there are many useful, relevant things that school doesn't tend to cover. Public speaking is just one item Lieutenant suggested. What do you think about his overall point?

anything that can be learned from k-12 can be learned at equal or faster pace on your own with the internet and with less waste of tax money. schools not having certain classes can't withhold him from learning the stuff on his own, expanding class selection is not the best solution, the best solution is to do away with public education completely so ppl can learn at their own time. but the main point is that a person's own interest in a subject does not determine usefulness. public speaking and parenting classes would be more useless than most classes we have now.
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Why doesn't school teach us anything useful?

I would love to learn how to drive a car (I've been so busy with school that I haven't been able to get a license yet). I'd like to know how to cook, to pay bills, to actually be a responsible adult capable of taking on the working world.

School is a distraction more harmful to me than a videogame. I must remove it from the equation by whatever means necessary, preferably by graduating so that the hypnotized masses do not shun me and take from me my opportunity to be a responsible adult.

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RE: Why doesn't school teach us anything useful?

(05-16-2013 05:20 AM)Potato Wrote:  it doesn't take much for you to be reduced to generic troll posts.

I could've just put this down



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And how is it a troll post when:

A: You were saying that having a child means you're an idiot
B: What's wrong with public speaking?

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