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I'm sick of it. Fucking sick of it.

It's a personal encroachment of my life. When my mother sees that I'm failing several classes? *smack!* all your goodies taken away, an abundence of emails to teachers, an ever-strained relationship sinking worse, and a partridge in a dead, bloody pit.

I don't tell you, rather anybody, how to live life, why should you have the right to control mine?

Maybe I'll harass you about getting a job. Because that neighbor that you "work for"? (Coughcleanthehouseandfeedhisdog) yeah he's moving this week.

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In the newspaper.

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School ruins families. Most of the verbal and physical punishments kids endure are because of grades. I would have a much better relationship with my parents if the school didn't harass us years ago.
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Makes sense why kids are ready to ditch family as soon as they get out of high school. My parents also pressured me on grades and all. I just prepared a massive lecture on the successful lives of historical people who didn't have to go to school or college or graduate or that fancy bullshit.

I usually win, seeing that there is no logical argument to insist school is actually beneficial in anyway. Not to mention, schooling reminds me of sticking apes together with their kind, where they end up following some primitive tribal hierarchy. Bad for one's health, seeing that it destroys individuality, creativity and imagination and instills a sort of hive-mind amongst students usually resulting in stupid shit.

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ur parents buy all your stuff though
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(04-28-2013 07:46 AM)Potato Wrote:  ur parents buy all your stuff though

Well, when they decided to have a child, they made an investment. If they don't want to pay for our shit, then they should've thought twice before mixing the eggs and seeds. Do we look like cheap products?

We aren't property, we're investments. Parents must protect their investments yet also insure that the investment holds great value by not frequently trying to interfere with the investment. An investment makes more value when it knows what it can do with the greatest efficiency. The parents must simply provide the necessary resources to keep the investment going, till it becomes self-sufficient as per law.

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(04-27-2013 10:24 AM)Lux Wrote:  School ruins families. Most of the verbal and physical punishments kids endure are because of grades. I would have a much better relationship with my parents if the school didn't harass us years ago.

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School's really ruined the relationship I have with my parents, too.

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Hasn't ruined my relationship with parents too much, seeing that I've countered every complaint school has had with a totally logical and thus quite persuasive argument.

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(04-28-2013 11:15 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  
(04-28-2013 07:46 AM)Potato Wrote:  ur parents buy all your stuff though

Well, when they decided to have a child, they made an investment. If they don't want to pay for our shit, then they should've thought twice before mixing the eggs and seeds. Do we look like cheap products?

We aren't property, we're investments. Parents must protect their investments yet also insure that the investment holds great value by not frequently trying to interfere with the investment. An investment makes more value when it knows what it can do with the greatest efficiency. The parents must simply provide the necessary resources to keep the investment going, till it becomes self-sufficient as per law.

i mean he doesn't have the kind of leverage on his parents that they do on him to "harasser" his mother into "getting a job." it's not like he can take away her phone and shit. you say that children are "investments" but they're generally very unprofitable, people just do it because it's "natural", in other words, for no good reason. i agree parents have a moral obligation to provide for their children, but how much "resources" are "necessary"? should they be obligated to provide the stuff that ppl complain about being taken away for not getting good grades like cellphones and laptops?
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^ If they offered them in the first place, yes. Withdrawing money on an actual investment, for example, rarely bodes well for the investment.

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Why are they basing necessity on subjective grading? Children are quite profitable investments if done right. Basing your opinions on what a magazine article says, on what psychologists say, on what society in general says, does not mean getting the best results. You can't possibly expect every single person to be going through the exact same factors. Every single person has so many different "variables" that same inputs will result in significantly different outputs.

Hence, parents are failing to notice this. They aren't relying on their own knowledge of their kids, on their own knowledge of their investment. They're going around getting "advice" from all sorts of places and people, without making sure that the full story is given. Humans tend to fail giving the exactly necessary details due to the assumption that it is unimportant, when in fact the detail may be very important.

How much resources are necessary should be up to what the parent finds the logical amount for the best outcome of their OWN children. This also doesn't mean basing it on anything else. I surely would be upset if my parents were to take my laptop due to low grades, simply because they are too interested in punishing rather than finding out why my grades are bad. Punishment is a imbeciles way of getting things done, and the results are never the greatest.

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How its supposed to work:

Step 1 - Parents have kid.
Step 2 - Parent deal with all the shit kids come with. (Parents invest in kid)
Step 3 - Kids go off on their own. Leave parents behind after 20-odd years. (Parents' investment over)
Step 4 - Kid becomes older, parents become older and too weak to support themselves.
Step 5 - Parents retire.
Step 6 - Kids supports parent willingly for their last remaining years. (Kids invest in parents)
Step 7 - Parents die. (Kid's investment over)
Step 8 - "Go to Step 1" with "player=kid" now "player=parent" (This step may be ordered wherever.)

Everyone's nice and happy.
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paying for somebody's living expenses for about 18 years isn't cheap, what they get in return is not going to top what they spent, you can guess how much money or stuff you parents or adult relatives has given to their parents and it's probably not very much. your parents are under no pressure or obligation to supply you with all the good stuff, you're not "investments", your purpose is not to be profitable. if you're mad because you're parents aren't letting you have shit, the only solution is independence
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I have a feeling I'll have to end up paying for mine (my parents, that is) for more than 18 years >_>

By then I'll likely be a responsible adult - I won't keep score, despite my desire to do so now. I guess that'll just make me the bigger man.

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(05-01-2013 07:16 AM)Potato Wrote:  paying for somebody's living expenses for about 18 years isn't cheap, what they get in return is not going to top what they spent, you can guess how much money or stuff you parents or adult relatives has given to their parents and it's probably not very much. your parents are under no pressure or obligation to supply you with all the good stuff, you're not "investments", your purpose is not to be profitable. if you're mad because you're parents aren't letting you have shit, the only solution is independence

Giving them stuff is one thing, taking away stuff they've already given to them is quite another.

Nobody's saying parents should give kids every single thing they ask for even if they can't afford it, or it isn't all that necessary or whatever.

Independence is kind of difficult when so many laws are designed to prevent it...

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(05-01-2013 07:16 AM)Potato Wrote:  paying for somebody's living expenses for about 18 years isn't cheap, what they get in return is not going to top what they spent, you can guess how much money or stuff you parents or adult relatives has given to their parents and it's probably not very much. your parents are under no pressure or obligation to supply you with all the good stuff, you're not "investments", your purpose is not to be profitable. if you're mad because you're parents aren't letting you have shit, the only solution is independence

Problem is that the law either limits the child's ability to gain independence, or if there is a way of independence, those ways aren't really given(such as emancipation).

Society really doesn't intend to let children know of the different things they can do to reduce their dependence on parents while even putting up an obstacle to prevent them.

Sure, if your parents also decide that they don't see you as an investment, they will reap what they sow. It shouldn't surprise them when they get abandoned when they become in need of the "ex-child's" help.

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(04-27-2013 10:24 AM)Lux Wrote:  School ruins families. Most of the verbal and physical punishments kids endure are because of grades. I would have a much better relationship with my parents if the school didn't harass us years ago.
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Potato Wrote:if you're mad because you're parents aren't letting you have shit, the only solution is independence

That's not it at all. It boils down to a notion that I feel as if I'm being controlled and told how to live my life.

I'm not a lab rat with exterior motivators pushing me to get to the cheese. I have my own goals, my own ideas.

And this happens on all levels, not just parental, but throughout society. What is this entire forum about? The personal freedom that we feel is being drained out of us so we can be factory or office workers. Parental intervention as a way to slash personal freedom is just the skin of the bigger problem.
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(05-01-2013 09:06 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  
(05-01-2013 07:16 AM)Potato Wrote:  paying for somebody's living expenses for about 18 years isn't cheap, what they get in return is not going to top what they spent, you can guess how much money or stuff you parents or adult relatives has given to their parents and it's probably not very much. your parents are under no pressure or obligation to supply you with all the good stuff, you're not "investments", your purpose is not to be profitable. if you're mad because you're parents aren't letting you have shit, the only solution is independence

Giving them stuff is one thing, taking away stuff they've already given to them is quite another.

Nobody's saying parents should give kids every single thing they ask for even if they can't afford it, or it isn't all that necessary or whatever.

Independence is kind of difficult when so many laws are designed to prevent it...

I was going to say something, but this pretty much sums it up

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