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Trar Away
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http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Public_education

While this is normally a very good wiki for debunking junk science, finding the low-down on politicians and whatnot, I'm not so sure about this article in particular.

Quote:Alleged history

Oh, no, evil industrialists founded the education system to churn out obedient little factory workers! Clearly the nefarious goals of men who died 100 years ago should lead us to dismiss one of the most beneficial services provided to us by the government!

Quote:Compulsory vs. optional attendance

Compulsory attendance takes away children's freedom, and their parents', if non-public education options are not allowed (such as private schools or arrangements such as homeschooling). On the other hand, if attendance were optional, students would elect to sleep in until 4pm.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Public_school is somewhat better, even if it veers between viewpoints a lot.


I expected better of them, really. Although since it IS a wiki (and a rational one at that), there's nothing stopping me, or indeed any who may be reading this, to improve the article. I just wanted to bring this to your attention; and I'm quite sure you fine folks would have no problem debunking these, er, theories.


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Unschooling After looking around some more, I found this. This article is much better, simply because it provides logical arguments for both sides of the argument and even mentions mister Gatto.
(This post was last modified: 04-20-2013 06:48 AM by Trar.)
04-20-2013 03:10 AM
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Students may elect to sleep in till 4, but when given the option of either hard-work or a day spent sitting at a desk learning, I'm sure they'll be more naturally leaning towards attending.

The author of the article seems to only look at that specific instance, rather than consider the other factors surrounding the students. He/she isn't looking at the bigger picture. One can make attendance optional yet set things up to have students choose school over whatever other option is available.

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(06-14-2013 08:02 AM)Potato Wrote:  watch the fuq out, we've got an "intellectual" over here.

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Trar Away
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I surmise that Hobson's choices are common in schools these days. Sometimes they're more direct, sometimes not so much (more like thinly veiled threats such as "if you don't attend school you will end up a miserable mcfail or some shit like that").

It's entirely possible that the author of that article intended to come back later and write a more concise...article. That, or he/she had a hidden agenda.
04-27-2013 01:18 AM
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